massimo Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Elias Sorry for the ramblings, I'm bored. I hope some of it made sense. Clear as mud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Born and bred in England. Moved to Canada when I was thirty, ten years ago. Who would I cheer for if England played Canada ? No question, it would be Canada. I like to see England do well. But my home is now Canada. How could I tell my four year old son it is ok to say "Go Canada Go" when we all support our Hockey team at the World Cup/Olympics but then turn round and cheer against Canada just becuase they are playing the country I was born in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 quote:Originally posted by runner Born and bred in England. Moved to Canada when I was thirty, ten years ago. Who would I cheer for if England played Canada ? No question, it would be Canada. I like to see England do well. But my home is now Canada. How could I tell my four year old son it is ok to say "Go Canada Go" when we all support our Hockey team at the World Cup/Olympics but then turn round and cheer against Canada just becuase they are playing the country I was born in. Runner, I couldn't put it better if I tried. I wish more people would think like you, but obviously that ain't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 What Daniel and amacpher said is correct. Let's use Jeffrey S. as an example, if he doesn't mind. He's been living in Spain a long time and is raising a family there. Yet when Canada played Spain in the U20 WC quarterfinals, he supported Canada. No one here had a problem with him doing that. But let's say the situation was reversed, let's say he was from Spain and came here to raise a family, then cheered for Spain against Canada --- most people here would have criticised him. That's not right. I think if you have spent "a significant amount of time" living in another country and truly "identify" with that country (I won't define those terms in quotes, but I think you get my point), and then move to Canada, it's okay to cheer for that country against Canada. However, I think in that case you should also show some support for Canada in that particular game (certainly not boo Canada), and then cheer for Canada in all other games. I think the real problem is not when immigrants cheer for their home country, and it's not even when they cheer for their home country against Canada, it's when they don't ever cheer for Canada (or maybe even boo Canada) or support Canadian soccer. I know my grandfather, who has been living here for about half his life now, would probably cheer for Italy over Canada, but otherwise he definitely cheers for Canada (even our women's teams, and older Italian men supporting women's sports is not common to say the least!), and I'm okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DJT I think the real problem is not when immigrants cheer for their home country, and it's not even when they cheer for their home country against Canada, it's when they don't ever cheer for Canada (or maybe even boo Canada) or support Canadian soccer. I know my grandfather, who has been living here for about half his life now, would probably cheer for Italy over Canada, but otherwise he definitely cheers for Canada (even our women's teams, and older Italian men supporting women's sports is not common to say the least!), and I'm okay with that. DJT, I can understand immigrants who come to Canada for a better life yet still support the old country's team. But what I don't understand is those who are born here, yet still support other countries. I can use some of my friends (who are of italian descent) as an example. They are all soccer fans and play soccer regularly. I ask them to watch a Canadian international match. They give me this weird look, like are you crazy or something?? Yet they all support the Italian team. This is what I don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by massimo DJT, I can understand immigrants who come to Canada for a better life yet still support the old country's team. But what I don't understand is those who are born here, yet still support other countries. I can use some of my friends (who are of italian descent) as an example. They are all soccer fans and play soccer regularly. I ask them to watch a Canadian international match. They give me this weird look, like are you crazy or something?? Yet they all support the Italian team. This is what I don't understand. This is what I was trying to say in one my ramblings above. I don't really care if people cheer against Canada (well I do, but anyways). My problem is with people who won't cheer for Canada when "their" country is not playing. Like I said about all those Greek "fans", nobody I know in my extended family watches Canadian soccer. Like you said, I also get weird looks from them when I mention either the national team or national team players or local pro clubs. What I'm trying to say is that they are not soccer fans, but are just out there to have a good time. AHHHH Less than an hour to go. I'm going to pull out the last 3 hairs I have. I need something to do. GO CANADA GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Yes, I agree with you, massimo and Elias, and experience the same thing as you guys. I think we are saying the same thing. But I know, based on past discussions, that many people here think that when someone immigrates to Canada they should now support Canada over their old country. I used to agree with that, but have since changed my mind. I was just commenting about this situation in general, not disagreeing with what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 I just wanted to add to what you said with some of my own experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Bluenose Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 As i'm Scottish through and through, i root for no other nation (except countries playing against England of course ). Unfortunately, the Scotland team today are so sh1te it's becoming increasingly difficult to believe that we are in fact co-founders of the modern game. Berti Must Go!!! Get Strachan On Board!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMLION Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 typical jock attitude, and then they wonder why we dont support them, and that comes from someone who is a half jock, i wish i knew which half i would cut it off.[xx(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Maybe a typical Jock attitude but most English fans also delight in Scotland's poor performances..Admit it Tom did Scotland's draw versus The Faroe Isles bring a smile to your face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Bluenose Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TOMLION and then they wonder why we dont support them dont want your support anyway mate [}] Have you ever stopped to wonder why the rest of the world hates Engurland and their notorious hooligan supporters? Not just the Scots, Welsh, Irish etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Having watched Football Italia on Channel 4 as a Kid, I was drawn to Italy. Then I grew tired of their ultra-defencive play. I've liked Nigeria ever since France 98. Also like to see the Dutch do well, ever since Bergkamp joined Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Why are you people from the United Klowndom and colonies (Ireland) here? It's like Canadians going to British Ice Hockey Forums? Just joking people [] The more the merrier (sp?) But seriously, unless you guys are in Canada and just put in your profile UK, etc., why are guys here? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I started playing Fifa 99 as Canada. Then discovered the Old Forum by Chance. It has been a rolercoaster ride, but it was worth it in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Billy the Bluenose dont want your support anyway mate [}] Have you ever stopped to wonder why the rest of the world hates Engurland and their notorious hooligan supporters? Not just the Scots, Welsh, Irish etc. Everyone, execpt the Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Both of my Parents are from England, I was born here. I cheer for Canada first and England second. So if Canada played England, it would be Canada for me, no question!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Root for .......well there is only one CANADA I may take an interest in Northen Ireland but only in passing . If Ulster was ever to play us " Let's kick Irish ass " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMLION Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 elias, we are here for more info on canadian players, we have two and a third is on the way hopefully.[}] and bluenose why is it as soon as someone disagrees with you they are instantly a hooligan eh,and i bet you are just another glory hunter up in scotland just like all the celtic and rangers fans i bet you live in aberdeen or something. c'mon you jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Well, all you Britos are welcome, especially your comments on Canadian players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortoMarco Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Massimo I sent you an email! Hope you got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Bluenose Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TOMLION and bluenose why is it as soon as someone disagrees with you they are instantly a hooligan eh,and i bet you are just another glory hunter up in scotland just like all the celtic and rangers fans i bet you live in aberdeen or something. c'mon you jags. Typical sassinack attitude!! [xx(] quote:and i bet you are just another glory hunter up in scotland Gloryhunter? Now you show your ignorance, chump! Not only were my team knocked out of the Champs League in the qualifier, but they are also 4th in the League behind Septic, the Sheep (aberdeen) and Kilmarnock! And you have the cheek to call me a gloryhunter?? Get it right dozy. quote:just like all the celtic and rangers fans i bet you live in aberdeen or something. Nice try dumbo! I'm from Glasgow, born and bred. And what team do you support and whats your geographical positioning in regards to your team? You obviously consider this a huge aspect of supporting a team. So by your reckoning should all Man U fans climb back under the rocks they came from? quote:c'mon you jags A-HAHAHAHAHA. to reply to that would be too easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Bluenose Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Elias Why are you people from the United Klowndom and colonies (Ireland) here? It's like Canadians going to British Ice Hockey Forums? Just joking people [] The more the merrier (sp?) But seriously, unless you guys are in Canada and just put in your profile UK, etc., why are guys here? Just wondering. I used to live in Toronto, Ontario a while back. Now i consider myself a Part-Time Canuck. [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMLION Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 certainly hit a raw nerve there m8 didn't i,i knew you were from glasgow as it says so under your name derr,and shows i'm right when you consider finishing fourth a failure, most teams would be happy with that. as to my geographical positition to the team i support i was born 5 mins walk away from millwall hence why i support them i now live about five miles away from the den and i go regular home and away. and shock of all shocks i agree with you on something all manure supporters should crawl under the rocks they came from.[}] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Bluenose Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by TOMLION certainly hit a raw nerve there m8 didn't i,i knew you were from glasgow as it says so under your name derr,and shows i'm right when you consider finishing fourth a failure, most teams would be happy with that. as to my geographical positition to the team i support i was born 5 mins walk away from millwall hence why i support them i now live about five miles away from the den and i go regular home and away. and shock of all shocks i agree with you on something all manure supporters should crawl under the rocks they came from.[}] The seasons still on going so all still to play for with only 5 games played and another 31 remaining. I hope we get you lot in the UEFA Cup group stage, it'd make for an interesting fixture!!! Would you make the jaunt up to Ibrox that being the case? as for ManUre supporters, well. . . . gloryhunting scum . . . . . .nuff said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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