Moosehead Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Keep the faith, no need to give up now. I don't see how its inconceivable that we cannot win 3 or 4 of the next games. We have a loss and tie is that grounds for giving up. It is not like we are playing the USA or Mexico or other teams in the World Cup. We just have to use this as a character building exercise and move on and if we are going to ever get to the world cup we need this mental exercise to progress. I saw that we are getting better and better as a team and I can see us winning 3 out of the 4 next games. We have lots of talent there and once we play more as a team with faith then I don't feel we should fear the likes of Honduras or Guatemala, get one on Costa Rica and maybe 2. The reality is if the team cannot beat Honduras and Guatemala again how far could we realistically go in the next round or at the world cup. I realize the officiating was atrocious, however we should have held on to our 1 nothing lead with 8 minutes to go. What would disgust me even more is if the Canadian players basically gave up and if they don't believe they can still pull through and move into the next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 No one here (except for soccerbitch) lacks any faith in the team itself. What I do lack faith in (and I'm sure most here are with me on this) is the ability for us to get a fair game, so we could actually decide the results through our soccer skills, and not through some corrupt, blind, inbred referee. When it is proven that we can get a fair match in CONCACAF, my faith will be restored. And until I see Pierluigi Collina blowing thw whistle at Saprissa, that's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosehead Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Rudi No one here (except for soccerbitch) lacks any faith in the team itself. What I do lack faith in (and I'm sure most here are with me on this) is the ability for us to get a fair game, so we could actually decide the results through our soccer skills, and not through some corrupt, blind, inbred referee. When it is proven that we can get a fair match in CONCACAF, my faith will be restored. And until I see Pierluigi Collina blowing thw whistle at Saprissa, that's not going to happen. Well the facts are, we were soundly beaten by Guatemala and then were up against Honduras but couldn't preserve the lead. The incident about the penalty could have happened anywhere even in the World Cup, we should not have got ourselves in that situation where someone could fake a dive in the box. Not granting the 2nd goal agree makes the whole officiating suck and maybe corruption could be involved. I just don't buy the situation that Canada has to win its both or one of its first two games or cannot come back and do whats necessary to get to the next stage. Canada to me won the game and the positive signs are we have the offensive abilities to come back, lets move on. Does Canada get worse treatment than the USA in Concacaf officiating? as they manage to overcome the corrupt officiating. What about Russia did they pull out of the Canada Cup tournaments when we deliberately slashed one of their top players bringing him out of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Ya, smile as you get screwed ! Only in Canada could we blame ourselves for that corrupt officiating. You guys are mindless sheep. Just keep smiling as Canada gets f*cked over, and over, and over.... Eh, there's always 2010 ! It will all be different then, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury Ya, smile as you get screwed ! Only in Canada could we blame ourselves for that corrupt officiating. You guys are mindless sheep. Just keep smiling as Canada gets f*cked over, and over, and over.... Eh, there's always 2010 ! It will all be different then, right ? What do you expect people to do? What do you expect the players to do? Give up now? Sure we get screwed over. But I think the blame game starts AFTER this round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Moosehead Keep the faith, no need to give up now. I don't see how its inconceivable that we cannot win 3 or 4 of the next games. Eh, "let's keep the faith" that Canada will continue to get hooped and do nothing about it. That's always a good way to correct things ! The fact that it's conceivable for Canada to win 3 out of 4 on the road is irrelevant. Canada was intentionally screwed so you can wake up and stop dreaming about the Hex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Champ Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury Eh, "let's keep the faith" that Canada will continue to get hooped and do nothing about it. That's always a good way to correct things ! The fact that it's conceivable for Canada to win 3 out of 4 on the road is irrelevant. Canada was intentionally screwed so you can wake up and stop dreaming about the Hex. I hear ya guy, but as long as there is even a mathmatical chance of us going on, I will support any optomism about the MNT, even though I generally hate optomists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by redhat What do you expect people to do? What do you expect the players to do? Give up now? Sure we get screwed over. But I think the blame game starts AFTER this round. This isn't about "giving up," this is about standing up for yourself. If there is no recourse then why bother ? Why should our players sacrifice their club careers for this farce ? Why should soccer/sports fans buy tickets to watch this farce ? Why should CSA sponsors support this corruption ? "What do i expect people to do" ? I expect people to pressure the CSA,CONCACAF,FIFA for action against this blatant corruption. As a Canadian fan, I can't watch as our players are intentionally screwed, and then we just pretend everything is OK. This just feeds the cycle of injustice/corruption ! The CSA must take drastic action NOW, not when we are mathematically eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosehead Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury Eh, "let's keep the faith" that Canada will continue to get hooped and do nothing about it. That's always a good way to correct things ! The fact that it's conceivable for Canada to win 3 out of 4 on the road is irrelevant. Canada was intentionally screwed so you can wake up and stop dreaming about the Hex. I am not saying we shouldn't do anything about the officiating. The CSA should agressively pursue this and report the ref and request that European refs be appointed for the remainder of the games. I still feel though we can move on and get to the next round which to me is not irrelevant it means we move on to the next round. It wasn't the bad against Guatemala and we lost fair and square. In the Honduran game we were leading until a preventable error was made by a Canadian player (the one who was incidentally probably tired as he made 11 connected flights)Pull out? how will that help us, when we still have a chance of qualifying. Why would sending a semi pro team send a message to FIFA or help out Canadian soccer when I still feel we can move on to the next round. Italy did they pull out of world cup 2002, i am convinced there was corrupt reffing in the game against Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Moosehead I am not saying we shouldn't do anything about the officiating. The CSA should agressively pursue this and report the ref and request that European refs be appointed for the remainder of the games. I still feel though we can move on and get to the next round which to me is not irrelevant it means we move on to the next round. It wasn't the bad against Guatemala and we lost fair and square. In the Honduran game we were leading until a preventable error was made by a Canadian player (the one who was incidentally probably tired as he made 11 connected flights)Pull out? how will that help us, when we still have a chance of qualifying. Why would sending a semi pro team send a message to FIFA or help out Canadian soccer when I still feel we can move on to the next round. Italy did they pull out of world cup 2002, i am convinced there was corrupt reffing in the game against Korea. Guetemala is irrelevant ! What are you saying ? We played poorly vs Guatemala so we deserve to have biased officiating against us ? Don't even mentiopn that game. We still have a chance of qualifying ? Really, and what would our odds be because I would love to place a bet against us ! There's a time to soldier on, and there's a time to stop being bullied. This is the latter. What you are stating is the status-quo is acceptable. That is unacceptable and every Canadian fan should feel the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury The CSA must take drastic action NOW, not when we are mathematically eliminated. I agree! This is the CSA's responsibility ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosehead Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury Guetemala is irrelevant ! What are you saying ? We played poorly vs Guatemala so we deserve to have biased officiating against us ? Don't even mentiopn that game. We still have a chance of qualifying ? Really, and what would our odds be because I would love to place a bet against us ! There's a time to soldier on, and there's a time to stop being bullied. This is the latter. What you are stating is the status-quo is acceptable. That is unacceptable and every Canadian fan should feel the same. To me you don't have much faith in the team. We played 2 games lost 1 and tied 1. We have a fanstastic team with an amazing group of players and we have good chance of moving on. The tournament is not over. Would you lose faith in the Canadian hockey team if they lost and tied their first two games? If we want any hope of making it to the world cup and doing respectably then winning 3 out 4 out of the likes of Guatemala and Honduras has to be achievable. If you read my post, I don't think the status-quo is acceptable and we should definately file a protest. I am not convinced that we should pull out when I think we can still move to the next round depsite the officiating. If we pulled out, I think we would look silly. We lost the game against Guatemala with passable officiating. The second game the officiating was atrocious but then we blew it ourselves but having to make a tackle in the box when we were leading with 8 min to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury [The CSA must take drastic action NOW, not when we are mathematically eliminated. I doubt anyone would disagree with the CSA taking action on this, it's the type of drastic action that I would disagree with. The best form of protest would be to get Canada awarded 3 points for last night's match, which is what we deserved. Middle ground would be to ensure UEFA refs (or hell, even American) and the very least to kick up such a fuss that the bastards start calling things badly in our favour. Withdrawing the team (aka: quitting) won't get us anywhere. It defeats the point, it goes against the purpose, it's throwing out the baby with the bathwater and it is oxymoronic. I'm not sure I can make this point any clearer. Nothing good will come of doing that. Nothing! If perhaps you can indicate what you hope we will achieve by taking this course of action, and how you think we can achieve it, I might be more sympathetic to that viewpoint. But I haven't seen any sort of justification to take the route you suggest just yet (though as you've said it in a ton of different threads perhaps I haven't gotten to it just yet, so excuse me if that is the case). The Canadian players stated before the game that they believe they can win against any team, home or away. Unless we think they are lying we OWE them the opportunity to do so. They are the ones playing for their dreams, it's not within our gift to take their dream away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca The best form of protest would be to get Canada awarded 3 points for last night's match, which is what we deserved. Middle ground would be to ensure UEFA refs (or hell, even American) and the very least to kick up such a fuss that the bastards start calling things badly in our favour. Withdrawing the team (aka: quitting) won't get us anywhere. It defeats the point, it goes against the purpose, it's throwing out the baby with the bathwater and it is oxymoronic. I'm not sure I can make this point any clearer. Nothing good will come of doing that. Nothing! The Canadian players stated before the game that they believe they can win against any team, home or away. Unless we think they are lying we OWE them the opportunity to do so. They are the ones playing for their dreams, it's not within our gift to take their dream away from them. What we OWE our players is a level playing field. How do you propose that FIFA will award Canada 3 points ? By Canada filing a complaint ? Dream on ! Withdrawing our team now will create international headlines and a full review of the alledged officiating. It will force FIFA's hand. Disperse our players so that they don't waste their time away from their clubs. Send an amateur club instead. FIFA can't control who we send and it will draw light to our plight. The chance of Canada qualifying now is minimal, but action needs to be taken to spare our future attempts at all levels. Doing nothing will simply reinforce these countries that they can get away with corrupt officiating. You call for the status-quo, because you offer no plan but to continue playing and turning a blind eye to the corrupt officiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosehead Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 have you gone mad, where is it that I state I'm in favour of the status quo. I also don't think that Canada is out, I have faith in their soccer abilities and think they can win 3 out 4 games if not the remaining 4. I fail to see how we would get anywhere in the international community by us sending an amateur team. I fail to see how quiting is going to get you anywhere and i am not sure Canada has a lot of credibility with the international community in any event. Maybe I'm wrong but please explain in more detail how your scheme will get the international soccer community up in arms and demand change. quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury What we OWE our players is a level playing field. How do you propose that FIFA will award Canada 3 points ? By Canada filing a complaint ? Dream on ! Withdrawing our team now will create international headlines and a full review of the alledged officiating. It will force FIFA's hand. Disperse our players so that they don't waste their time away from their clubs. Send an amateur club instead. FIFA can't control who we send and it will draw light to our plight. The chance of Canada qualifying now is minimal, but action needs to be taken to spare our future attempts at all levels. Doing nothing will simply reinforce these countries that they can get away with corrupt officiating. You call for the status-quo, because you offer no plan but to continue playing and turning a blind eye to the corrupt officiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury What we OWE our players is a level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Moosehead have you gone mad, where is it that I state I'm in favour of the status quo. I also don't think that Canada is out, I have faith in their soccer abilities and think they can win 3 out 4 games if not the remaining 4. I fail to see how we would get anywhere in the international community by us sending an amateur team. I fail to see how quiting is going to get you anywhere and i am not sure Canada has a lot of credibility with the international community in any event. Maybe I'm wrong but please explain in more detail how your scheme will get the international soccer community up in arms and demand change. He was actually saying that to me, not you. But I share the same concerns that you do and the same amount of healthy skepticism that quitting will achieve anything remotely positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Moosehead have you gone mad, where is it that I state I'm in favour of the status quo. I also don't think that Canada is out, I have faith in their soccer abilities and think they can win 3 out 4 games if not the remaining 4. I fail to see how we would get anywhere in the international community by us sending an amateur team. I fail to see how quiting is going to get you anywhere and i am not sure Canada has a lot of credibility with the international community in any event. Maybe I'm wrong but please explain in more detail how your scheme will get the international soccer community up in arms and demand change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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