soccerbeast Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 In reflection, our national side got outplayed twice at home yet again in wcq, which brings into question the following: a) iS the manager good enough to lead your national side.........no Did the CSA give them team enough friendlies to come together as a side...............no c) did our star player provide the leadership needed.............no we didn't really start playing till the 8oth minute whe De Vos headed in the beauty goal. Then disaster the canadain defence messes up allowing a Honduras player to break free and we take him down in the box, YES it was a penalty folks. I have watched the incident on tape a few times now and our player did just clip him to bring him down, the Mexican offical got it right, if it had the other way round we would have wanted a penalty. The Mexican did disallow a good Canadian goal, which should be brought to the attention of both Concacaf and FIFA. But geeeting back we again did not come out ready to play, the first half we spent more time passing the ball back in our own defence half this is not a way to score goals and win matches. Our setup has now got to be changed from the manager to the players to the CSA,if that fails to happen expect another dismal performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Soccerbitch. Go **** yourself. What game where you watching? We outplayed those Honduran pussies last night. I don't want to read your defeatest, loser posts. Go kill yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack Soccerbitch. Go **** yourself. What game where you watching? We outplayed those Honduran pussies last night. I don't want to read your defeatest, loser posts. Go kill yourself. What can't you admit the truth....we never played a good game against Honduras, yes it was improved over Guatemala but not by much. Canada never threatened the Honduras goal till DE vos header 10 minutes from the end. we totally suck again bringing canadian soccer to an all time low. Now we have 3 meaning less games to go Costa Rica on wednesday, Now that were out i won't have to stay up till 4am to watch it. nananana,nananana,wave goodbye germany 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 You truely are stupid. I hope you're sterile so that you can't reproduce because we don't need more stupid people like you in Canada. Did you even watch the game? Canada dominated in the second half until the penalty. You could tell Canada wanted it more in their hustle and over all play. We were robbed you ****ing moron. Robbed!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 Sore Loser.....yes i watched the game i have the video and have watced it twice this morning,foor a team needing a win we played like we were already eliminated, which we are now. For christ sake take those Maple leafs tinted glasses off so you watch the match again and see how bad we really played. Frank Yallop should get the sack, Radz, bye bye you won't be missed, unlike those easy sitters you missed yesterday, we got 4 years to turn this program around, if not our one world cup appearence will just be that....just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by soccerbeast Sore Loser.....yes i watched the game i have the video and have watced it twice this morning, No you didn't. At least the twice this morning part. You are a liar son, along with being a pathetic attention seeking troll. Unlike you effect on a lot of the Voyageurs, it seems, you don't get under my skin. I pity you more than anything. Because we both know that you don't like yourself and deep down, you fear, correctly for now at least, that you have nothing worthwhile to offer. But it doesn't have to stay like that: Contact the Brantford office of the Canadian Mental Health Association. They will have some free counselling available and tonnes of information on building your self esteem. Your school guidance counsellor can hook you up as well. Volunteer and give back to the community. Coach some soccer if you like that sport (and there is no evidence that you do), maybe do something nice for someone anonymously, or just buy your grandmother - or some else who loves you despite your antics - a flower for no reason. It will do you a world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl_19 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 soccerbeast **** off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Forum Moderators, it is time you block off Soccerbeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante79 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 shut up soccer best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante79 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 for now on I will ignore all soccerbest posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 The truth is NOBODY LIKES YOU, cares about anything you have to say, and suggest you pick your own forum, soccer team, and your own life. You don't get it, and have the gall to post after a sensitive and controversial match. Time to forget it, buddy. Whether you're right or wrong, nobody cares anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 After a gut wrenching game like that you come on here and say we don't deserve to play in the world cup? This team came back from a bull**** call and scored a goal in the dying minutes, this after a dismal start against Guatemala that could've sunk them, and they don't deserve a shot at Germany? These guys fly here from Europe to play for us, a nation that barely knows they exist, for an organization that barely affords their plane tickets, this team that barely knows each other shows this much heart only to lose to bad officiating, and you still can't get behind them after this. You're not a fan of this team, why post here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gordon No you didn't. At least the twice this morning part. You are a liar son, along with being a pathetic attention seeking troll. Unlike you effect on a lot of the Voyageurs, it seems, you don't get under my skin. I pity you more than anything. Because we both know that you don't like yourself and deep down, you fear, correctly for now at least, that you have nothing worthwhile to offer. But it doesn't have to stay like that: Contact the Brantford office of the Canadian Mental Health Association. They will have some free counselling available and tonnes of information on building your self esteem. Your school guidance counsellor can hook you up as well. Volunteer and give back to the community. Coach some soccer if you like that sport (and there is no evidence that you do), maybe do something nice for someone anonymously, or just buy your grandmother - or some else who loves you despite your antics - a flower for no reason. It will do you a world of good. yES I DID WATCH IT TWICE THIS MORNING, i WATCH AS THE CANADIAN PLAYER TOOK DOWN THE hONDURAN IN THE PENALTY AREA, THE REF MADE THE RIGHT CALL. yOU SHOULD PITY THE cANADAIN SOCCER PUBLIC,WE WE BOMBED 4 YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD THINK CHANGES WOULD BE MADE FOR THE BETTER,BUT WE GOT WORSE. a MANAGER WHO HASN'T A CLUE TO SELECTING PLAYERS, OR GET THEM MOTIVATED. yES I DO LOVE THE SPORT, I WATCH MY SCOTTISH SIDE ON SETANTA EVERY WEEK, THERES A SIDE THAT CAN PLAY WELL. i DON'T CARE IF I AM WELL LIKED OR NOT, BUT IM SICK OF CANADIAN SOCCER PRETENDING IT'S SOMETHING IT'S NOT.....GOOD. oNLY 9,000 TURNED UP IN EDMONTON, WHAT A USELESS CITY TO HOST A WCQ MATCH,THE CSA SHOOULD HAVE LEFT THE TEAM IN VANCOUVER.eDMONTO SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE WORLD YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 2007, ALL WE NEED THE WORLD TO SEE IS A EMPTY STADIUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by soccerbeast yES I DO LOVE THE SPORT, I WATCH MY SCOTTISH SIDE ON SETANTA EVERY WEEK, THERES A SIDE THAT CAN PLAY WELL. i DON'T CARE IF I AM WELL LIKED OR NOT, BUT IM SICK OF CANADIAN SOCCER PRETENDING IT'S SOMETHING IT'S NOT.....GOOD. oNLY 9,000 TURNED UP IN EDMONTON, WHAT A USELESS CITY TO HOST A WCQ MATCH,THE CSA SHOOULD HAVE LEFT THE TEAM IN VANCOUVER.eDMONTO SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE WORLD YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 2007, ALL WE NEED THE WORLD TO SEE IS A EMPTY STADIUM. Whether you're right or wrong, nobody cares anymore. Enjoy your Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elricko Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Boy , some of you guys sure get a little hot-headed over one contributor, "Soccerbeast". I don't think I agree in censorship, some of you are pretty rude, and yet I doubt if you wish to be censored. I honestly thought Honduras had the BEST quality scoring chances, but Canada indeed had several , one by Daniel I.which showed why he is a good defender, and not a goal-scoring foreward. Hume should have done better, but the way he is idolised on this forum, you would think he's a soccer superstar, and he and Tranmere are far from superstardom.Peschi's international career was over way back, and I love the guy's effort, but don't forget he refused to travel and play on a number of occasions for Canada ( believe me I know this for a fact), he gave many excuses. he's not the easiest player to get along with.I surely did not understand Peter's sub, what a waste of a sub. It is way too early to call for Yallop's head, the players like him,, and he's been a successful coach. Canada were pretty awful in the first half against Guatamala, but since then , the effort has been there. Our chances for going to Germany were always extremely slim, now they are much slimmer, but we are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Soju After a gut wrenching game like that you come on here and say we don't deserve to play in the world cup? This team came back from a bull**** call and scored a goal in the dying minutes, this after a dismal start against Guatemala that could've sunk them, and they don't deserve a shot at Germany? How can you say they deserve to be in Germany from what we've seen so far? Your second sentence is seriously flawed. WCQ is not about "recovering from dismal performances". It's about "avoiding dismal performances". Aside from South America qualifying zone, one bad game is often the difference between qualifying and not. Looking objectively at last night's game, Canada deserved to be losing after 60 minutes. Yes, they got screwed by the ref at the end. But they could've easily lost in the first-half too. Overall Canada probaly deserved to win 2-1, but then they would still have a tonne of work to do before they "deserve" to be in Germany. It's too early to answer the question do they deserve to goto Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Guys, there's some truth in what soccerbeast is saying. Serious changes need to be made at the CSA. For a start, I would love to see Pipe get his a$$ fire from the CSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Soccerbeast was just offering his opinion, that Canada didn't play well enough to win. And you know what, he's right? Canada needs a kick in the butt, and who knows when. I've been watching for long enough to know, that this is the same broken record. They don't play quality football, and won't go anywhere unless they start to. There is a reason why the Americans leap frogged Canada. In 1986, we were far superiopr than them, and now, they are World Cup quarter-finalists. And they are entertaining. Us in the otherhand... As fo rthe penalty, I thinkg that it was NOT a penalty. That being said, with such a poor pass back, that type of thing is bound to happen. And the goal should have stood. But that doesn't change the fact that we played terribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by RJB Soccerbeast was just offering his opinion, that Canada didn't play well enough to win. And you know what, he's right? Canada needs a kick in the butt, and who knows when. I've been watching for long enough to know, that this is the same broken record. They don't play quality football, and won't go anywhere unless they start to. There is a reason why the Americans leap frogged Canada. In 1986, we were far superiopr than them, and now, they are World Cup quarter-finalists. And they are entertaining. Us in the otherhand... As fo rthe penalty, I thinkg that it was NOT a penalty. That being said, with such a poor pass back, that type of thing is bound to happen. And the goal should have stood. But that doesn't change the fact that we played terribly. We've got some fine younger player who should be given some game time now, Jamie Peters,Josh Simpson,Olivier Occean,Ante Jazic Iain Hume,should all start vs Costa Rica, we have nothing to lose at this point lets give them experience,cause they will be leading the team four years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher How can you say they deserve to be in Germany from what we've seen so far? Your second sentence is seriously flawed. WCQ is not about "recovering from dismal performances". It's about "avoiding dismal performances". Aside from South America qualifying zone, one bad game is often the difference between qualifying and not. Looking objectively at last night's game, Canada deserved to be losing after 60 minutes. Yes, they got screwed by the ref at the end. But they could've easily lost in the first-half too. Overall Canada probaly deserved to win 2-1, but then they would still have a tonne of work to do before they "deserve" to be in Germany. It's too early to answer the question do they deserve to goto Germany. You're right, of course. I suppose I was just being hot headed in that post. However it seems to me with the lack of preparation and all things considered this team is starting to show heart. I think the true test of wether they deserve to go to the world cup will be in how they respond to this latest result, will they use this as an excuse to quit or push on to the hex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher How can you say they deserve to be in Germany from what we've seen so far? Your second sentence is seriously flawed. WCQ is not about "recovering from dismal performances". It's about "avoiding dismal performances". Aside from South America qualifying zone, one bad game is often the difference between qualifying and not. Looking objectively at last night's game, Canada deserved to be losing after 60 minutes. Yes, they got screwed by the ref at the end. But they could've easily lost in the first-half too. Overall Canada probaly deserved to win 2-1, but then they would still have a tonne of work to do before they "deserve" to be in Germany. It's too early to answer the question do they deserve to goto Germany. Who gives a crap whether a team DESERVES to go to Germany or not. The idea is to qualify. That's all that matters. The teams that make it there, make it there. Those that don't, don't. This talk of entitlement is absolutely useless and pointless. Results matter, and that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I think a team's worth sometimes goes beyond their results in Soccer. If only results matter we should be urging our players to dive in the box then applauding for it, that seems to get results quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 How a team gets its results matter, I agree, though not all teams agree about what these methods are, exactly. This is the governing body's job, for the most part, and when they do not uphold the "rules", the game suffers. But that is besides my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Yeah I assume your point was that the scoreline is the bottom line. As for entitlement however I like to think the team that didn't cheat is entitled to the victory, and in that sense deserve it. I'm also guessing your point was that we shouldn't sit around and whine at our crappy results when there's another match to look forward to, so I'll stop at that [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Soju Yeah I assume your point was that the scoreline is the bottom line. As for entitlement however I like to think the team that didn't cheat is entitled to the victory, and in that sense deserve it. I'm also guessing your point was that we shouldn't sit around and whine at our crappy results when there's another match to look forward to, so I'll stop at that [] Soju, mi amigo, I should have been clearer, I agree. Yes, the scoreline is the bottom line, and I hate the bs cheating and the officiating that does not call the cheating. My worry about the word "deserving", or any sense of entitlement for that matter, is that it often creates expectations based on values or ideas that have no impact on the soccer field, values and ideas (attitudes, really) that can often make a team perform below its capability because they've got it into their heads that they 'deserve' to win. Same with fans who feel they are entitled to see their team win. It is a great way to set oneself up for disappointment, and as a result, often silly behaviours as a result of disappointment. This is not a grave issue for me, let me tell you. i just hate when people throw the term around so recklessly. No issues with you, Soju. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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