leekoo Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 They are not doing anything at all to develop the professional game at any other level in Canada. - Vince Ursini A soccer in the veins memoir of low budget life in Canadian pro soccer. Ursini, the torch carrier for Canada's only professional soccer league, opens up about the CSA, the A-League, the owners and why we need the CPSL. It is the Canadian Professional Soccer League, the CPSL. But is it Canadian and is it professional? READ ON: http://soccer.loop48.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1757 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Although I may not be a huge fan of Vince Ursini, I tend to agree with him. In fact, I've been pleading with the CSA, A-League clubs, and the provincial leagues to unite in order to achieve Open-Cup competition and a solid structure of all provincial league under 1 umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Wow, that was a really great interview. I've dissed Vince and league many a times (which I will continue to do when called for) but you can really see that he cares and, contrary to much available evidence, actually has a vision of where soccer needs to go in Canada. After reading this I have to honestly say that I find it hard to imagine anyone else doing better in his job with the resources at his disposal. He's realistic and understands the niche that the league exists to fill. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Didn't realize he was working for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote:We have a role to play. We have supplied a lot of players to the A-League and beyond. Actually we have a great relationship with the Lynx, however, other A-League team owners do not have as open a mind as the Hartrells. And as long as the other A-League teams do not want to see professional soccer flourish at any other level ... Whats he on about? How do all the other A-League teams not have an open mind? Perhaps this open mind the Hartrells have is what leads them to have a crappy team that never makes the playoffs? quote:The Border Stars did things right. The things they did, the atmosphere when you came in the gate, the things that they did for kids, the face painting, the balloon making, Oh god.....thank god for balloon making and face painting, it's what Canadian soccer is all about. quote:We are the first sports program on Vision TV They're on Vision TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HamiltonSteelers Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I think the point being made is that the model for success is making the games truly an event. Not just a game. Not something one does to pass the time. I'm sure most of the crowds that Windsor gets are not simply 'family and friends'. 1800 is a helluva draw in just about any league in this country. Doesn't that put them around 3rd or 4th best supported team in Canada? I used to think Ursini was a crackpot zealot whose megalomaniacal tendencies was holding soccer down. I agree with Mike, he has a vision and has no bones where his position, his league and his goals are in the grand scheme of things. I suppose it's one thing to critisize... it's awfully easier than actually coming up with a solution, huh? At least he has a solution to grow the sport beyond 'amateur status' and sees it as economically viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote: I think the point being made is that the model for success is making the games truly an event. Not just a game. Thats what I have a problem with. Lets sell the game and see what happens. It's my opinion, it's not going to change. quote:I suppose it's one thing to critisize... it's awfully easier than actually coming up with a solution, huh? Just responding to a few of his comments. You'll find out I do that. I don't have to find a solution to anything, but please tell me, what is the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead They're on Vision TV? http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4052 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HamiltonSteelers Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead Thats what I have a problem with. Lets sell the game and see what happens. It's my opinion, it's not going to change. I agree. I'm not a fan of the carnival-like atmosphere that you get in Arena Football and other minor league sports. The point that was being made is that the Border Stars are doing everything they can to retain fans. The curiousity factor will bring people out once. Sometimes the game itself isn't enough for most casual sports fans. I know that ideally, all stariums should be populated with hardcore fans, but that isn't happening, and if a baloon can bring a family of four back to the game, I hope it's a really good balloon. quote: Just responding to a few of his comments. You'll find out I do that. I don't have to find a solution to anything, but please tell me, what is the question? I don't believe there was a question. Ursini believed that there was something to their success model. Whether it was balloon animals, the coldest beer in the league, corporate support, he was proud that a club is making it in this league and cited them as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Vision TV is a national channel on cable, but what channel is it? I've been trying to look for it and cant find it in Hamilton. Does anyone no what channel it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I agree with Krammerhead. I would even say that teams shouldn't advertise their games. The real fans will find it wherever and whenever the team’s plays. Advertising would just attract people. We don't want that. Cause if they show up and they have fun, they might come back and bring friends... and supporting soccer isn't fun, it's a way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote:Originally posted by hamiltonfan Vision TV is a national channel on cable, but what channel is it? I've been trying to look for it and cant find it in Hamilton. Does anyone no what channel it is? Ditto. I can't find it here in Noth Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 quote:Originally posted by G-Man I agree with Krammerhead. I would even say that teams shouldn't advertise their games. The real fans will find it wherever and whenever the team’s plays. Advertising would just attract people. We don't want that. Cause if they show up and they have fun, they might come back and bring friends... and supporting soccer isn't fun, it's a way of life. Such subtle use of sarcasm. K-man, like many of us, doesn't want the icing to overwhelm the taste of the cake. Sure, have some bells and whistles, but don't make them so overwhelming that they distract from the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Don't waste your time on G-String. He's just a frustrated boy from sleepy Wakefield. Doesn't have any idea about pro-soccer, and thinks if anyone has failed at anything that they should never try it again. Twit extraodinaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leekoo Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 you would think the cpsl website would have something about their vision tv show ... it doesn't ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Sigma Doesn't look like the station is available in your part of BC: http://www.visiontv.ca/HTML/Programs/HowgetHTML.htm#bc Well thats so suprise. Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Just found vision TV. Channel 24 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Just found vision TV. Channel 24 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 I just don't like the Ursini way of doing things. He doesn't help his position by call his league "Canadian" and "Professional". Most teams in the USL would wipe the floor with their teams. He sounds more like the guys who tried to run the CBL and though they knew how to run things. The problem in that case was the people who knew how to run baseball weren't in the CBL. Much in the way where the kind of people to run pro soccer (ie the Saputo's and the Kerfoot's) aren't in the CPSL. They see a better way to achieve things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Great extensive interview, leekoo! I'm impressed. [^] Sounds like it was tough in places, VU sure can be rough at times. Have got to admire his cajones, though, stcking it out. It gives me a new appreciation for his struggle, tho'. VU is prone to exagerration; for example: "We've had well over a hundred players moving on to Europe and higher leagues over the last few years alone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead Ditto. I can't find it here in Noth Vancouver. Well, it's one of those end-of-spectrum channels on basic cable across the country, at least where there are English language majorities. The CRTC has determined that it has to be there, as it is good for our multi-cultural souls even if no one watches it.In Edmonton it's at Channel 54. From visiting other people in different cities and sneaking into their TV rooms to check for French on Italian soccer (until I'm found and dragged down to have some arcane discussion about how dead Uncle Joe had a bad case of TB in the early 1950's) , I have learned that you often can't get such channels (like TLN and TV5) by just moving up and down on the channel changer, you often have to manually enter the numbers for each channel, as often the programmer on the selector will skip these channels. Sometimes Vision has some good movies. It is not altogether inappropriate that the CPSL is on Vision TV. Being a soccer supporter of any kind in Canada is much like being in a cult. We suffer terribly, brothers, but we will all be justified when the flying saucers finally return for us, the chosen and devoted few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leekoo Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by beachesl Great extensive interview, leekoo! I'm impressed. [^] Sounds like it was tough in places, VU sure can be rough at times. Have got to admire his cajones, though, stcking it out. It gives me a new appreciation for his struggle, tho'. VU is prone to exagerration; for example: "We've had well over a hundred players moving on to Europe and higher leagues over the last few years alone." he is not an easy interview because he is so verbose and he tends to get into things that only soccer politicians and soccer bureaucrats can appreciate ... he can spin with the best of them for sure ... and he can easily talk to both sides of the argument ... remember he has been treasurer of the ontario soccer association for a long time ... by the way, professionally he is a chartered accountant ... both the CPSL and the OSA are very fortunate to have his services ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:I have learned that you often can't get such channels (like TLN and TV5) by just moving up and down on the channel changer, you often have to manually enter the numbers for each channel Oh I can get TLN here, if I pay for it! Thats one channel that they think people in North Vancouver should pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 So Saturday morning about 11:35am Eastern time. Doesn't start right on the half hour. The show before it is a musical Sikh show/current events program which is called Watno Dur Mosaic. I don't think VisionTV has an east/west breakdown so the show may start at 10:35/9:35/8:35am depending on how far west you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Channel 51 in Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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