massimo Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Guys, I think everything everyone has said here at this forum, makes sense... more or less, anyway. Personally I think, like most of you here that our loss was caused by a lack preparation. By that I mean there weren't any friendlies whatsoever before the game vs. Guatemala. Also having more friendlies would give Mr. Yallop more time to look at all the talent we currently have, and do it correctly. Examples are Tam N. and Tony M. as well as other. So what I did was send an e-mail explaining my feelings on this matter, and if everyone here does the same, the CSA will have to listen! Please, do your part. For national teams inquiries, please send an email to: Earl Cochrane natteams@soccercan.ca Massimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Hey Massimo, While I can understand everyone's disappointment, I have to question whether it is really our place to flood the CSA with letters of complaint. They are well aware of our forum and would probably appreciate us keeping these discussions over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Hey Massimo, While I can understand everyone's disappointment, I have to question whether it is really our place to flood the CSA with letters of complaint. They are well aware of our forum and would probably appreciate us keeping these discussions over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Why keep it here? If we're upset enough, then by all means, take your complaints to them. If I were at the CSA and saw you sitting on here biatching and whining but doing nothing about it, I wouldn't be too concerned about it. But if you showed up on my (cyber) door en masse, I might think twice. Stop being Canadian and humming and hawing in your seat. Do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 (D)amn straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 quote:Originally posted by massimo Guys, I think everything everyone has said here at this forum, makes sense... more or less, anyway. Personally I think, like most of you here that our loss was caused by a lack preparation. By that I mean there weren't any friendlies whatsoever before the game vs. Guatemala. Also having more friendlies would give Mr. Yallop more time to look at all the talent we currently have, and do it correctly. Examples are Tam N. and Tony M. as well as other. So what I did was send an e-mail explaining my feelings on this matter, and if everyone here does the same, the CSA will have to listen! Please, do your part. For national teams inquiries, please send an email to: Earl Cochrane natteams@soccercan.ca Massimo I did the same, but no responce from them, show's what they think of the fans opinion. But let them hear from you all. Changes must come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 But what specific changes? Maybe if we could all agree someone would listen, as right now I'm seeing alot of different complaints (all of which seem justified). It seems after the last game that this team just doesn't know how to play together with these roster changes, and when players come back from injury or club duties, the roster will change again. What kind of friendlies do we have scheduled? Do they just expect this team to gel by an act of god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 quote:Originally posted by David C. Hey Massimo, While I can understand everyone's disappointment, I have to question whether it is really our place to flood the CSA with letters of complaint. Dave Any other country would be up in arms at the effort put out vs the Gusts. I don't blame our players, but moreso I blame the CSA for their lack of preparation for a match of this importance. If I'm not mistaken the Guats about 2-3 friendlies before the match vs us...on our side, all we did was to assemble ourselves a couple days before. Then we expect our canadian players to pull a rabbit out of a hat! It's just not realistic for me. If we don't voice our opinions to the CSA, who will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 quote:They are well aware of our forum and would probably appreciate us keeping these discussions over here. It's their damn job to listen, thats why they have an email address. If nobody complains nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Soju But what specific changes? Maybe if we could all agree someone would listen, as right now I'm seeing alot of different complaints (all of which seem justified). It seems after the last game that this team just doesn't know how to play together with these roster changes, and when players come back from injury or club duties, the roster will change again. What kind of friendlies do we have scheduled? Do they just expect this team to gel by an act of god? Soju ....I have just checked the CSA list of upcoming men's national team friendlies prior to your next WCQ matches...there are none[?] None mentioned anyway, since most of the players are european based, a couple of quick friendlies against say Noarway,Sweden,or Finland could be arranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Right well act of god it will have to be then, I'll start praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 I have written to the CSA a few times. Most times I never get a reply. One time I did get a reply it said pretty well it was none of my business. The last time I wrote the week before the game with Guatemala I got an automatic email reply saying the addressee was away to Vancouver to the game. This was 5 days before the game. What the hell was he doing there 5 days before, who is paying for that. Wrote again two days after the game assuming he would be back. No response to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 quote:Originally posted by The Ref I have written to the CSA a few times. Most times I never get a reply. One time I did get a reply it said pretty well it was none of my business. The last time I wrote the week before the game with Guatemala I got an automatic email reply saying the addressee was away to Vancouver to the game. This was 5 days before the game. What the hell was he doing there 5 days before, who is paying for that. Wrote again two days after the game assuming he would be back. No response to this day. What do they mean it's none of your business, they're representing our whole country! Do they think they get to do business by our flag and when they screw up act like they're just another private enterprise? "Look you nutter get away from the office window can't you see we're trying to have a meeting? Yes yes we know our shares are down and our product is useless but that's really none of your concern, now go back to squeegeeing cars or whatever it is you do when you're not bothering people". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper77 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 The CSA!?! C'mon, the blame for that loss is on the players and coaches. First, the coaches did a poor job in selecting the starting 11 and reacting to how the game was being played. As for the players, it was an embarrassment. It was hard to sit there and watch 90 minutes of that. I've seen them play much better games. There was no imagination. No drive...even losing 1-0 they didn't seem to want to play. It took the second goal to wake them up. There are a few players who don't deserve a spot on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 quote:Originally posted by flipper77 The CSA!?! C'mon, the blame for that loss is on the players and coaches. First, the coaches did a poor job in selecting the starting 11 and reacting to how the game was being played. As for the players, it was an embarrassment. It was hard to sit there and watch 90 minutes of that. I've seen them play much better games. There was no imagination. No drive...even losing 1-0 they didn't seem to want to play. It took the second goal to wake them up. There are a few players who don't deserve a spot on the team. Flipper, So if that's your thought...send it to the CSA to voice your opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 The CSA wrote me back: Thanks for the message below James. I do not think that many would argue your point regarding the need for more friendlies...and friendlies against CONCACAF (or CONCACAF-style) opponents in CONCACAF-like conditions. And, you will not find many disagreeing with your assessment of our very poor performance against Guatemala. But despite what you may or may not believe, Canada is in a very different situation than most of our CONCACAF rivals. The most glaring difference is the absence of a full-time domestic league. This means of course that we, more than any other country in our zone, must rely on FIFA International Dates, thus limiting our access to our players and often times placing our players in difficult club vs. country situations. Then you have the issues of venue, travel, etc...So in the end, I think our situation is quite unlike the majority of CONCACAF countries. Thanks again for your message James... Earl Cochrane Canadian Soccer Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Pleasantly surprised to get some feedback, we've heard this problem voiced before. So if we're at such a disadvantage in CONCACAF due to a divided roster between Europe and North America, what's the solution? Any thoughts from armchair managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Soju Pleasantly surprised to get some feedback, we've heard this problem voiced before. So if we're at such a disadvantage in CONCACAF due to a divided roster between Europe and North America, what's the solution? Any thoughts from armchair managers? I think we should look to the U.S.A. and Jamaica as for solutions to our problems. Both of these nations face similar problems that we face. The U.S.A. called 8 foriegn based players for their Aug.18 qualifyer. Jamaica probably was mostly foriegn based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 quote:Originally posted by David C. Hey Massimo, While I can understand everyone's disappointment, I have to question whether it is really our place to flood the CSA with letters of complaint. They are well aware of our forum and would probably appreciate us keeping these discussions over here. Have to agree. I can understand expressing our feelings over the selction of venues where the games are played since that affects the fans directly and shows that there canadians who want to see games played in their parts of the country. That is something that the CSA surely welcomes. But player selection are things that only Yallop is responsible for and in NO WAY would it be to the benefit of soccer in Canada to have the CSA or the fans interfere in this process. He is afterall responsible for the selection and closer to the players than anyone of us. It is his job that is on the line and he has more to gain and loose than anyone of us with the outcome of WCQ. But that doesn't mean that we cannot express our views on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Well as for lack of friendlies, that concerns us as fans because without them we don't get to see our team play, and it also means it's much harder to bring new fans into the fold. I didn't realize the US had so many foreign based players to call back, what's their solution to this problem? Or do their players simply find the decision between club and country to be more of a no brainer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Got a long message back form Morgan Quarry. He said he had 'heard of trouble after the game' but was not up on the situation. Also made no apologies for playing in Vancouver or selling so many tickets to opposing fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 quote:Also made no apologies for playing in Vancouver Think I'll make a Voyageurs sign for the next game in Vancouver: "Voyageurs-Vancouver Haterz!" or Voyageurs-Eastern Canadian Soccer Supporters" and make sure it gets on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 Freekick, Does this mean he is a dictator...and we should all bow in his presence, that we should never ever question him or th CSA since he is our master. I say, not informing the CSA about our displeasure is like talking behind someone's back. If I myself, feel there may be something to change about the CSA, I inform them about it...and that goes either way good or bad. I have sent them e-mail before and they are not always bad neither always good. I think getting a response from us the fans is important as is means we still care. It's definately better than being indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 quote:Originally posted by massimo Freekick, Does this mean he is a dictator...and we should all bow in his presence, that we should never ever question him or th CSA since he is our master. I say, not informing the CSA about our displeasure is like talking behind someone's back. If I myself, feel there may be something to change about the CSA, I inform them about it...and that goes either way good or bad. I have sent them e-mail before and they are not always bad neither always good. I think getting a response from us the fans is important as is means we still care. It's definately better than being indifferent. But did I suggest these things? Afterall, we are just one game into the semi final qualifying round. What would you say if he came back with same team and we win the next two. What kind of letter do we send to the CSA then. Granted, that loss to Guatemala was huge. But we are not out of it by any stretch. Yes, I agree that there much to question about Yallop right now. But let him finish the job he was hired to do. We are way too reactionary on this board. Which isn't a bad thing under certain circumstances. For example, if we fail again to advance then let the criticism of Yallop fly. But we are not eliminated yet and did you honnestly think that we would go through the entire WCQ undefeated. I cant believe what I am reading from a certian new poster ( troll maybe) on this board who goes starts with the "Fire Yallop diatribe" after one loss. Then he tries to pass on as fact his speculation regarding Radz injury. Then he blames the CSA for not playing a friendly when the two first WCQ matches are barely two weeks apart ands the players return have returned to their clubs. He writes nothing positive or optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Highlights of said letter: "Vancouver was chosen because it and Edmonton are the two best surfaces on grass in Canada that can accommodate enough people..." "With a game date of a Wednesday however, I think it is unfair to suggest we play the game earlier in the day as we would have been ridiculed. we had no control over the date." "It is disappointing to see so many opposing fans at our games. But I don't think it is fair to only blame the CSA on this. When the average Canadian men's game becomes a regular sellout then perhaps we can start to distinguish between ticket allotment. The fact remains that a part of our operational budget comes form gate receipts and we cannot turn away ticket sales." "I cannot comment on the RCMP as I do not know all the facts. I had heard there were some problems after the game but that's all I know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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