soccerbeast Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver Not sure how Menezes looked, but here is my starting 11: Onstad Nsaliwa Devos Imhoff Jazic Hume Stalteri DeGuzman Brennan Radz Ocean Subs: DD up front for Ocean, Kluka at back, Pesch for Hume, Lars, Mckenna at back Damn, I hope we get a better result Onstad in goal you really don't want us to win do you[?] Lars must be given his no 1 position back, and we have to play 5 at the back, giving up any more goals at home will be fatal if it isn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by soccerbeast Onstad in goal you really don't want us to win do you[?] Lars must be given his no 1 position back, and we have to play 5 at the back, giving up any more goals at home will be fatal if it isn't already. Suddenly everyone wants Lars to play? Man, I don't know (and I like Lars' shot-blocking ability). But how can playing 5-3-1 win a game? That's a formation you use if you play abroad, and PLAY FOR A TIE. Holger used it against Mexico and didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Observer I think you're being too hard on DeRosario. He was bad, but he was being played out of position. I thought he has done a good of making/finding space as a foward linking with the midfield. I also think any lineup using Occean discourages us from creating that space in the midfield and creating triangles. When we play on the flanks too much we seem to get completely over-run in the middle of the midfield. And the guys keeping DeRosario on the bench in San Jose combined to score the US' goal in Jamaica and are being tipped to start against El Salvador. DeRo will never displace Donovan and if Ching is preferred to Brian McBride, then I don't think there's any real shame in being on the bench. If an EPL guy and a Bundesliege guy (Mathis) can't beat out Ching for a starting spot on the US nats, I'm okay with DeRo not being good enough to start for SJ. I agree with a lot of people that playing with five mids would be a great cure for this, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a 3-5-2. I also don't think changing formations completely midstream is going to make us look more cohesive which was a key problem against Guatemala IMO. Five in the back is asinine at home, but consider the source. I really agree with Observer's first point. I couldn't put my finger on what it was exactly besides lack of movement from our guys. But you're right too many guys dribbled into trouble. I don't see any alternative to Onstad either. Except Sutton. And that I don't know about, I just haven't seen enough of him. I don't think Lars will be named to the team and since he isn't playing first team I can't say I disagree. Of course, not playing first team didn't concern Yallop when it came to Peters, so who am I to say? cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Observer I think you're being too hard on DeRosario. He was bad, but he was being played out of position. I thought he has done a good of making/finding space as a foward linking with the midfield. I also think any lineup using Occean discourages us from creating that space in the midfield and creating triangles. When we play on the flanks too much we seem to get completely over-run in the middle of the midfield. And the guys keeping DeRosario on the bench in San Jose combined to score the US' goal in Jamaica and are being tipped to start against El Salvador. DeRo will never displace Donovan and if Ching is preferred to Brian McBride, then I don't think there's any real shame in being on the bench. If an EPL guy and a Bundesliege guy (Mathis) can't beat out Ching for a starting spot on the US nats, I'm okay with DeRo not being good enough to start for SJ. I agree with a lot of people that playing with five mids would be a great cure for this, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with a 3-5-2. I also don't think changing formations completely midstream is going to make us look more cohesive which was a key problem against Guatemala IMO. Five in the back is asinine at home, but consider the source. I really agree with Observer's first point. I couldn't put my finger on what it was exactly besides lack of movement from our guys. But you're right too many guys dribbled into trouble. I don't see any alternative to Onstad either. Except Sutton. And that I don't know about, I just haven't seen enough of him. I don't think Lars will be named to the team and since he isn't playing first team I can't say I disagree. Of course, not playing first team didn't concern Yallop when it came to Peters, so who am I to say? cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Matthew...possibly I am being a bit hard on DeRo. They were my immediate reactions after watchinig the match. I am still not convinced but your comments about playing Occean, creating triangles and space are good ones. While I think Occean has talent and promise, he really needs to work on his first touch and the ability to hold the ball up if he is going to be our answer up front. Too many times he let the side down in this regard when balls where played up to him onto his feet. But personally, I still believe the man with perhaps a couple of more years of experience (and hopefully at a higher level) could certainly become a regular ahead of DeRo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- Onstad ------------ Stalteri -- McKenna - DeVos -- Jazic Hume -- Serioux -- DeGuzman -- Brennan ----------- Radz ---- DeRosario ----- Bench: Sutton Pizzolitto Hutchinson Simpson Imhof Pesch Occean First off, I know Watson will be there, but after the last game, he shouldn't. As well, Onstad could easily be replaced by Sutton (the only real alternative, as Lars hasn't seen action in months, and I'm not sure Yallop has ever seen Kenny S.) and I would be confident. I don't care how much first team action Brennan has seen lately, he is without a doubt our best LM and is familiar with the team, so he goes. I was debating whether to put Occean or DeRo up front with Radz, since (in this lineup) we'll have out two best crossers of the ball (Hume and Brennan) and Occean's aeril presence would be complimented nicely. In the end, DeRo is fairly good in the air, and is much more creative with the ball than Occean at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I think Brennan would be a great choice on the left. He is healthy, practicing with a Prem side, and I think he has delivered the goods before. More significantly, this is a guy who wants to prove his club side manager wrong, though I am sure that Worthington's mind is already made up. Along with Hume, we will have two lads with plenty of passion and fire running down our wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timotas Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 We all want to see Brennan in the fold, but sadly I believe Yallop AGAIN will not choose him for the side. Yallop has already stated that he looks to choose his players based on present form and with the situation at Norwich of Brennan not playing 1st team football, I can't see Brennan being picked for Edmonton. I really wish Brennan was chosen because after Simpson's performance against Guatemala, I think Brennan would be a much better fit, and Simpson would be better coming off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 quote:Originally posted by An Observer While I think Occean has talent and promise, he really needs to work on his first touch and the ability to hold the ball up if he is going to be our answer up front. Too many times he let the side down in this regard when balls where played up to him onto his feet. But personally, I still believe the man with perhaps a couple of more years of experience (and hopefully at a higher level) could certainly become a regular ahead of DeRo. I'm not advocating for Occean. I don't think his style works well with the style that suits our talent best. I agree he has ability and in a few years might be a great option, but right now I agree his first touch isn't as good as some of our other forwards and he's not as active as DeRosario is. Plus when use our outside mids as real flank players DeGuzman and whoever (Imhof/Serioux) look totally out-manned. You take DeGuzman, Serioux, Brennan, Hume, DeRo and Radzinski and you have six guys with pace creativity and the ability to create space and inter-change. Also if we have a more compact midfield that will also leave more space outside for Stalteri and Jazic (assuming Stally isn't in the midfield) to get forward into. Plus our opposition play us like we're going to stick Catliff and Mitchell in front and aim balls at their heads. The Guatemalans already started a keeper based on his ability to catch crosses and now the Honrdurans are changing it up for the same reasosns. The Honduran back four is sketchy enough as it is and now they're looking at replacing their two central defenders with two guys who are better in the air? Why would play into their hands and play away from our strengths? The rest of their XI is spectacular, the only way we're going to beat Honduras is by over-running their back line. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 quote:Suddenly everyone wants Lars to play? Man, I don't know (and I like Lars' shot-blocking ability). I don't. I think he should be back in the A-League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl_19 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Guys i've been thinkin.... simpson looked lost out there vs the guats......that was his debut tho.....he looked a lil (albeit not as much) lost in his debut with millwall and then just learned as he went very quickly. I dont wanna write him off rite away as being "no where near ready enough " for international football....give this guy another chance or two...he played great in UAE and he's gotten better with each game at the den... i think (frank probly doesnt) that maybe josh would be better suited at LB with jazic moving up to left mid.......i believe thats where he plays with torpedo or whatever the hell his russian club is called. Some millwall fans were syaing he looked more comfortable on the ball back there as it game him more space with the ball without as much immediate pressure on him from defenders. so this is my new starting 11 Onstad ([V] no other choice really yet Diesel - devos - mckenna - Simpson Serioux Hume - - Jazic JDG Radz - Occean likely lineup from franky : Onstad (captain at that!) Diesel - devos - Twatson - Jazic hume - deguz - bircham/imhoff - DeRo radz - pesch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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