sounderfan Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Thanks to Seattle's 2-0 win tonight in Portland, the Vancouver Whitecaps cannot be caught and will receive the Cascadia Cup trophy in a presentation in BC Aug. 15. http://soundercentral.com/CascadiaCup/cascadia_cup.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Well holy crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 That's one nice looking Cup !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Aha! Now we know where Julian's missing Vancouver flag went to! The Falkster knicked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounderfan Posted July 25, 2004 Author Share Posted July 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Blue and White Army Aha! Now we know where Julian's missing Vancouver flag went to! The Falkster knicked it. Huh! More like PRESERVED IT FOR ALL ETERNITY on film. Well, someone did---then I knicked the photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Oh-My-God. Were you dis'g Ozzy? [:0] You know, some punks have nothing better to do except stir up trouble. Nice work. Congrat's to the Whitecaps. They won something:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 well, as much as i think this is a meaningless cup, it is nice to win something and not be the bride's maid for once (voyageur losers.....a-league semi's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 quote:Huh! More like PRESERVED IT FOR ALL ETERNITY on film. Well, someone did---then I knicked the photo! Yeah, it was my photo of the flag, maybe we should print up some flyers that read "have you seen this flag?" quote:well, as much as i think this is a meaningless cup, it is nice to win something and not be the bride's maid for once (voyageur losers.....a-league semi's). ..and some people say I make arsehole comments. How is this cup any more less meaningful than the Voyageurs? Three cities with a long history of battling each other, and if you happened to be at the Vancouver-Portland game a week ago you'd have seen how the rivalry is. Two supporters groups going at each other all night. I don't see that happening at voyageurs cup matches (and I'm not trying to diminish the importance of the Voyageurs cup). As for not being brides maids for once, well I know that you all like to hang the "choking" moniker on the Whitecaps. Funny that the Impact are never tarnished the same way. Because no matter how good they finish the season, they always seem to get eliminated by Rochester, they can'teven make the semis. No need to mention Toronto, Calgary or Edmonton. They can't even make the playoffs. I think the fact that Vancouver goes with nearly all local players and sometimes makes the semi-finals is a great accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Amen! I'd like to hear what fans' cup should be more important to Vancouver than the Cascadia Cup. Any suggestions, "bettermirror"? How are all those horses, potatoes and Mormons doing out in the Ridge, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 i don't think we need a fan award anyway. i understand how people say the cascadia cup should be more important than the voyageur cup, but i don't agree. actually, i don't think a fans' cup is something that is required anyway. i mean, does liverpool even play it's reserve players in the liverpool senior's cup? i know manchester united doesn't for the manchester senior cup. i know those aren't fan sponsored, but they may as well be! maybe if cascadia was it's own country as some may argue convincingly that it should be, then i'd take pride in the win, but i don't. why are people insisting that i should? anyway, i don't actually know about the horses, taters and mormons in the ridge! i've only lived there 3 months, and actually only stayed there 2 months. hate it. moving back to chilliwack. the ridge was always just a pit-stop to please my buddy who lives there. i've come to my senses. it took about a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounderfan Posted July 25, 2004 Author Share Posted July 25, 2004 quote:maybe if cascadia was it's own country as some may argue convincingly that it should be, then i'd take pride in the win, but i don't. why are people insisting that i should? Fans of the Whitecaps two biggest rivals would be OK with you deciding not to take the cup, if that would make you feel better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror i don't think we need a fan award anyway. i understand how people say the cascadia cup should be more important than the voyageur cup, but i don't agree. actually, i don't think a fans' cup is something that is required anyway. i mean, does liverpool even play it's reserve players in the liverpool senior's cup? i know manchester united doesn't for the manchester senior cup. i know those aren't fan sponsored, but they may as well be! maybe if cascadia was it's own country as some may argue convincingly that it should be, then i'd take pride in the win, but i don't. why are people insisting that i should? anyway, i don't actually know about the horses, taters and mormons in the ridge! i've only lived there 3 months, and actually only stayed there 2 months. hate it. moving back to chilliwack. the ridge was always just a pit-stop to please my buddy who lives there. i've come to my senses. it took about a month. It's a derby trophy. I don't see what Manchester United or Liverpool have to do with this. Who cares about their facking trophies or what lineup they had playing those games? Thats not relevant. The Cascadia cup (unlike that crappy Can-Am trophy Montreal won) is played by the first team players as it's regular season games that count towards it. Nobody says you should take pride in the win (I sincerely doubt your even a fan of the Whitecaps anyway), there's no need to go crapping on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror maybe if cascadia was it's own country as some may argue convincingly that it should be, then i'd take pride in the win, but i don't. Why should the cup be based upon arbitrary political boundaries? Geographic proximity is much more important for derbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 i don't recall crapping on the cup k-head. additionally, (and this will sound very harsh) screw you and your dog too for challenging my support of the whitecaps. i think fan sponsored cups are pointless. do you honestly believe the players play any harder because "this is a cascadia cup match"!? i sincerely doubt it! again i ask, why should i care about this cup? all of you guys tell me i should and don't tell me why! just cuz the caps are in it is not enough. i could give you more examples of bunk cups, but you guys will ride me for giving european examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 quote:don't recall crapping on the cup k-head. additionally, (and this will sound very harsh) screw you and your dog too for challenging my support of the whitecaps. If you really didn't care one way out of the other, you wouldn't have posted anything. However the very first thing you did in your post was mention you think the cup is meaningless. If thats not going out of your way to crap on it then I don't know what is. As for your other comment, too funny. This may sound harsh but you're a twat. quote:do you honestly believe the players play any harder because "this is a cascadia cup match"!? i sincerely doubt it! Nobody said they did. What I did say was unlike the meaningless senior cup matches you felt the need to mention that Liverpool and Man United play for, the Cascadia Cup is played for by the first string players because they are also LEAGUE games. You were rambling on about reserve players not even playing and nobody taking the games that seriously in those senior cup games. I was merely pointing out that the games played in the Cascadia cup are meaningful games because they are LEAGUE games. Just like the Voyageurs Cup. Why you felt the need to compare them to senior cup games played in England I'll never know. quote:again i ask, why should i care about this cup? all of you guys tell me i should and don't tell me why! just cuz the caps are in it is not enough. i could give you more examples of bunk cups, but you guys will ride me for giving european examples. Nobody is saying you should, and I mentioned so in the last post. You should really take time to actually read what people post before ansking a question that was answered in the post you are responding to. Nobody says you should take it seriously. However, like I mentioned before, there's no need to go crapping on it, which is all you have been doing in this thread. When Montreal inevitably wins the Voyageurs Cup, will you jump in on that thread saying how useless you think the fan cup is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 "When Montreal inevitably wins the Voyageurs Cup, will you jump in on that thread saying how useless you think the fan cup is?" finally a good point. i digress. i guess the better comparison would have been the London Senior Cup (whatever it's called). They add up matches played concurrently in the premiership season, so it's always the preferred first eleven. charlton won it a few years ago and no one cared other than to say "finally someone won it other than arsenal." the fans pay no more attention to it than the players. in the name of peace and love on the boards, i won't come to these topics anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Not wanting to butt in on a local argument, but I can certainly see why the Cascadia Cup would be just as important, even more so, than the Voyageurs Cup to a Whitecaps fan. I can also see the point of fan cups, even though they are not league titles which I think we'd all agree are the ultimate in North America (no FA Cup equivalent here). Fans are the lifeblood of soccer in this country - their ain't no tv revenues, or significant sponsorship, or high prices paid for Jersey adverts - so anything that gets some fans juiced a bit, perhaps some print in the local rags, seems a worthwhile endeavour. And while I agree with you bettermirror, that the players don't likely get themselves all pumped up to play a fan cup match, I am pretty certain that when it is all said and done, and they hoist the aforementioned fan cup, that players playing for peanuts appreciate that at least some of the fans are grateful for their efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 no doubt on your last point gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 I personally think the Cascadia Cup is virtually meaningless, except for the Whitecaps outsourced cleaning service employee who has to clean the silver once a year. Cascadia, what the hell is that? It does not exist. Why the hell is it named after a geographical feature that ends before the border? Sure, there is a regional rivalry in the area, and the Sounders especially are the Caps classic rival, the best sporting rival Vancouver has had since before we got our NHL franchise (ooh, a teaser). But in the end the divisional results are the real cup, not this. Sorry to disagree on this Krammerhead, but for me it is almost totally insignificant, in fact the only signficance I give it at all is that there are Sounders and Timbers fans who are disappointed about losing it. It certainly does not compare to Voyageurs Cup, which has a fan base, corresponds to a geo-political reality, has more teams, and right now is the highest award in Canadian club soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Jeffrey, you need some politician in a suit telling you what "geo-political boundary" you can define your derbies from? Sounds pretty sad to me. I know you're from North Vancouver originally, but in your exodus to Spain, I think you've forgotten what it means to support Vancouver. You can pretend the 49th parallel is some magical line that makes "us" different from "them" if you want, and you can fall under the delusion that Vancouverites are more similar to people from Montreal and Toronto than they are from Seattle and Portland. It's up to you if you want to swallow the political line with all the other sheep. But those of us real Whitecaps supporters know much better. So what if Cascadia isn't a "geo-political reality"? Tell that to the Basques in your new country, as well in France and whether else they might be living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have decided I don't need to polemicize about this with Caps fans, so I am changing this post in case anyone saw the previous. I am happy that we won it. I am more pleased that the Caps are playing well, and winning, and especially are ahead of the divisional rivals. The only thing that gets me is this: if you guys are so damn proud about the Cup why did you accept a name that has absolutely no meaning for Canadians? Very poor to just swallow the Yank name, when alternatives could have been had. I can't understand how I can be accused of being out of touch with Vancouver when you are the guys getting excited by a Cup obviously initiated south of the border, with a name that is meaningful to them but simply not relevant to Vancouver. I will say this though. Anyone from Vancouver who knows our country and can say that Seattle or Portand people are more similar to us than, say, a Maritime Canadian, is simply mistaken. I suggest you travel to Newfoundland, you may discover some interesting things about what makes Canada what it is. And that is from someone who knows Seattle well, Portland not too well, and has spent time in Maritime Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounderfan Posted July 26, 2004 Author Share Posted July 26, 2004 How about doing a little reserch before you post about "Cascadia," and look like a complete fool? quote:The Cascadia region stretches from Eugene, Oregon to Vancouver BC. and is a 400 mile corridor with 8 million residents. This region accounts for more than $250 billion in annual economic output and if ranked as a nation-state would be the 10th largest economy in the world. State and local governments in the Cascadia region have agreed to cooperate in areas such as transportation planning, trade and tourism promotion, border crossing improvments, economic development, natural resource management and special events. The fine people of Vancouver have embraced the term for years. Just because YOU didn't know about it, does not mean it doesn't exist. So, because I'm a teacher, not a hater...here's a lesson for you: MAP: There are literally THOUSANDS of web references to VANCOUVER'S place is Cascadia, but here is a link which should get you up to speed: http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/cascadiamayors/default.htm Here's a list of cities in Cascadia: http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/cascadiamayors/citylist.htm Here's some stuff from the geological and educational side of things: http://www.cascadiaproject.org/ http://www.crew.org/about/cascadia.html http://faculty.washington.edu/sparke/bcstudies.html http://www.altacolumbia.com/ http://www.cascadiasummer.org/cascadia.html Hell, there is even a "Cascadia BC" regional office: http://www.usgbc.org/chapters/cascadia/default.asp If I here even ONE MORE person say Vancouver is "more connected" to Montreal in terms of soccer rivalry than it is to Seattle, then I may lose all the respect I thought I had for my northern friends. To recap: 1. Cascadia is the best of groupings: seeking to be region and geographical,(as well as economical) but under no countries' flag. 2. Vancouver is the biggest city in Cascadia. 3. The Cascadia Cup of soccer is the biggest, most representative, most important Cup the Caps could win, outside of the A-League Cup, because it is a "backyard" derby. 4. Don't get it? See above. Repeat as necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Sorry Jeffrey, but I know many a Maritimer, and I'm not convinced. Canada is lovely, but it's a political entity, not a cultural one. Vancouverites have much more in common with their direct neighbours to the south, than with other Canadians many time zones away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 quote:Originally posted by sounderfan How about doing a little reserch before you post about "Cascadia," and look like a complete fool? The fine people of Vancouver have embraced the term for years. Just because YOU didn't know about it, does not mean it doesn't exist. So, because I'm a teacher, not a hater...here's a lesson for you: MAP: There are literally THOUSANDS of web references to VANCOUVER'S place is Cascadia, but here is a link which should get you up to speed: http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/cascadiamayors/default.htm Here's a list of cities in Cascadia: http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/cascadiamayors/citylist.htm Here's some stuff from the geological and educational side of things: http://www.cascadiaproject.org/ http://www.crew.org/about/cascadia.html http://faculty.washington.edu/sparke/bcstudies.html http://www.altacolumbia.com/ http://www.cascadiasummer.org/cascadia.html Hell, there is even a "Cascadia BC" regional office: http://www.usgbc.org/chapters/cascadia/default.asp If I here even ONE MORE person say Vancouver is "more connected" to Montreal in terms of soccer rivalry than it is to Seattle, then I may lose all the respect I thought I had for my northern friends. To recap: 1. Cascadia is the best of groupings: seeking to be region and geographical,(as well as economical) but under no countries' flag. 2. Vancouver is the biggest city in Cascadia. 3. The Cascadia Cup of soccer is the biggest, most representative, most important Cup the Caps could win, outside of the A-League Cup, because it is a "backyard" derby. 4. Don't get it? See above. Repeat as necessary. Horrible, I can't believe the we did that in BC. 54'40 or fight is it then? We lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Well I was going to end my participation on this topic when I realized the main opponent was a Man U. fan, but this does need responding to: quote:It certainly does not compare to Voyageurs Cup, which has a fan base, corresponds to a geo-political reality, has more teams, and right now is the highest award in Canadian club soccer. Well, I hate to say this because I don't want it to reflect on my support of the Voyageurs Cup but fans in Vancouver would differ with your opinion on that. I also don't want to harp on the fact that you haven't lived here for quite a while but it is true that you have lost touch with how Vancouver fans feel. At every Voyageurs Cup game this year I have mention to fellow southsider that "Hey this is a Voyageurs Cup game as well." Responses? Either none or a smirk of the "big deal" variety. Every press release that DJT sends me gets posted on the southsiders board as a new thread. There has never been a response to a Voyageurs cup thread yet. When I posted on the Southsiders board that we were raising money for a Voyageurs Cup, nobody except me donated. Ask Nolando what the responses were at the Canada-Milwall game when he came to our group of supporters and asked "Are you guys Voyageurs" There was silence until I said that we were southsiders and a couple of us post on the Voyageurs board. Counter that with the Cascadia Cup. When the fundraising began, the Southsiders and non Southsiders took it to heart. The Vancouver Supporters raised the most money of the three supporters groups at the start. This suprised me, as I even made a post on the board that since none of the fans supported the Voyageurs Cup I doubt we'd raise the money. I was wrong. Whenever a thread has come up on the southsider board regarding the Cascadia Cup games, it gets great response. After winning the Cup the posts started immediately (Saturday night to boot which is a slow discussion board night)about raising money for the engraving. Interest is there for the Cascadia Cup in Vancouver. I just hope that when it's awarded to the team that they show the awarding of it on their video highlites so you can see howmuch it's appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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