loyola Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Mitchell Selects 18-Players for Camp In Turkey Dale Mitchell Ottawa, Ontario – Canada’s Men’s Youth Under-20 Team Head Coach Dale Mitchell today announced his 18-player roster for a camp in Antalya, Turkey from April 19-29, 2004. Canada will play two games against their Turkish counterparts on April 26th and 29th before concluding the camp. Seven players listed on Mitchell’s roster have made the jump from Stephen Hart’s Under-17 team; Graham Ramalho (Calgary, AB), Myles Davis (Delta, BC), Marcel de Jong (Toronto, ON), Jamie Peters (Pickering, ON), David Edgar (Kitchener, ON), Cam Wilson (Delta, BC), and Tyler Rosenlund (Port Coquitlam, BC). Both goalkeepers, Thomas Lindley and Joshua Wagenaar backed up Alim Karim at last December’s 2003 FIFA World Youth Championship in the United Arab Emirates where Mitchell’s squad progressed further than any other Canadian team when they reached the quarter-finals. "There are approximately 30 players under consideration for the next men's U20 team that will attempt to qualify for the World Youth Championships in Holland next summer,” said Mitchell. “This group of players gathering in Turkey will have the first opportunity to make a positive impression against a top quality opponent. After the success of the last U-20 team, we look forward to the challenge of working with the next group." Nik Ledgerwood (Munich 1860), who has just returned from injury, will remain in Germany. Toronto’s Julian Uccello (AC Milan) was invited to attend the training camp but has decided to remain in Italy with his club. Game Schedule April 26 CANADA v TURKEY April 29 CANADA v TURKEY Camp Roster # Pos. Complete Name Club Date of Birth Hometown Prov. 1 GK LINDLEY, Thomas Sheffield United FC (England) 24-Jan-85 Tatallon NS 2 D RAMALHO, Graham FC Groningen (Netherlands) 12-Jan-86 Calgary AB 3 D DAVIS, Myles BC 29-Jul-86 Delta BC 4 D BRITNER, Mathew Brown University (NCAA) 17-Apr-85 Halifax NS 5 D KASSAYE, Simon Edmonton Aviators 19-May-85 Edmonton AB 6 M LI, Nathan University of Kentucky (NCAA) 11-Jan-85 Delta BC 7 M de JONG, Marcel PSV Eindhoven (Netherlands) 15-Oct-86 Toronto ON 8 M PETERS, Jaime Kaiserslautern (Germany) 04-May-87 Pickering ON 9 M GYAKI, Ryan Sheffield United FC (England) 06-Dec-85 Calgary AB 10 F LALLI, Franco US Lucera Calcio (Italy) 11-Mar-85 Woodbridge ON 11 F SHEPHERD, Jeremy Hertha Berlin (Germany) 08-Apr-85 Mississauga ON 12 F O'NEILL, Riley University of Kentucky (NCAA) 09-Sep-85 Campbell River BC 13 M SCHIAVONI, Carlo L'Aguila Calcio (Italy) 19-Aug-85 Lachine QC 14 D EDGAR, David Newcastle Utd. FC (England) 19-May-87 Kitchener ON 15 F WILSON, Cam BC 21-Aug-86 Delta BC 16 M ROSENLUND, Tyler BC 13-Sep-86 Port Coquitlam BC 17 F HUGHES, Dylan Kaiserslautern (Germany) 23-Jan-85 North Vancouver BC 22 GK WAGENAAR, Joshua Hartwick College (NCAA) 26-Feb-85 Grimsby ON Staff BARRETT, Angus Head of Delegation MITCHELL, Dale Head Coach - U20 Men DASOVIC, Nick Assistant Coach CANNON, Eddie Athletic Therapist MULDOON, Kevin Equipment Manager/GK Coach Doctor TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 15, 2004 Author Share Posted April 15, 2004 Note that Uccello was invited but prefered to stay with his club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 From my point of view, the only real surprise omission is Haineault who was the captain of the last U-17s and was a late cut on the U-20s who went to UAE. Perhaps he will go the same way as Liam Girard who was the sweeper for the previous U-17s and had similar rave reviews to Wyn Belotte but then disappeared and never made the U-20s. Also notice that this seems to confirm that Peters is at Kaiserslautern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Let's not read too much into some of the absentees - at least not to the extent that we already are writing off the careers of 16 & 17 year olds because they weren't selected to this one camp. I think Mitchell prefers Edgar to Haineault (he took him instead of Andrew to the U20's) and there can't be too much room in an 18-player roster for young (even for U20) centre-backs. You have to love that Mitchell keeps selecting a ton of strikers for these tournaments. 5 on this roster, not enough room for young Andrea Lombardo (who I think, like Wilson, is eligible for the next U20 (ie.2007) in any event). 3 already with considerable European experience for their age, two of whom are with Bundesliga clubs. Nice to see that Dylan Hughes is back as he had declined to try out at the last U20 camp prior to UAE 2003. Other notable absentees from this camp - Jonathan De Guzman (but not really a surprise there, I think we won't see a committment to Canada until he's cracked the first team), and two players who played in UAE who are eligible for this squad, Nik Ledgerwood (who they mentioned) and Richard Asante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Mitchell did state that around 30 players were in contention for spots. You do not hear that too often when discussing Canadian squads, at least not in the past. Roster looks solid up and down. Little disappointed that Jonathan did not warrant a mention, but nice to see Hughes back. Ledgerwood, it mentions, is just back from injury and wanted to stay with his club. Good to see they are starting already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Ivan Mitchell did state that around 30 players were in contention for spots. You do not hear that too often when discussing Canadian squads, at least not in the past. Roster looks solid up and down. Little disappointed that Jonathan did not warrant a mention, but nice to see Hughes back. Ledgerwood, it mentions, is just back from injury and wanted to stay with his club. Good to see they are starting already. Word in Quebec is Hainault is at a club in France and was unavailable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelle_1978 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 The reason Andrew Hainault is not on the list for the U20s camp in Turkey is because he is currently on try out at Stade Rennais in France D1...he will certainly make the next trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Good news on Hainault. And Gianluca, I was not writing him off but just making an observation that he to me was the surprise omission and comparing him with Girard from the previous U-17 side. I would also say that in my observations at this level, some of the better U-17s disappear when they become 18 or 19 year olds (and I imagine Haineault is an 86 so he would be 18 now going on 19. anyway, good news for Hainault and I am glad to see that we have another potential central defender on trial in a top league in Europe. That is the position where we could use the most depth right now. Also, Assante is an 84 I believe and too old for this team. Finally, interesting to see Ramalho as he was a kid that was not on the U-17s last time around (nor was Edgar but we all know the progress he has made in the last year). Seems like a very solid side and very strong defensively. Interesting to see whether any of the strikers can score consistently at this level. To me, that will be the key as we should be fairly solid defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 On Edgar, he is a starting central defender on Newcastle United's U-19 (turns 17 in May). Edgar also has seen some playing time with Newcastle reserves albeit as a sub. Nevertheless, that's not too bad for a 16 year old Defender to be playing against men. Don't know if David is still scanning these Boards. Way to go, David!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Edgar has actually started a couple of games lately for the Newcastle Reserves...again, quite good for a 16 or 17 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDN4EVR Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hainault was also invited to Turkey but is gone to Stades Rennais in France from April-03 to May-02 therefore unable to attend this camp. He also spent 1 month in Germany this past feb/mar where he tried out with Werder Bremen, Hamburg and Wolfsburg. Answers are still pending and will possibly return in may. Andrew will turn 18 on Juin-17-04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by An Observer Good news on Hainault. And Gianluca, I was not writing him off but just making an observation that he to me was the surprise omission and comparing him with Girard from the previous U-17 side. I would also say that in my observations at this level, some of the better U-17s disappear when they become 18 or 19 year olds (and I imagine Haineault is an 86 so he would be 18 now going on 19. I appreciate that, just felt it was a bit too soon to be comparing him to Girard (and who knows whether Girard may crop back into the scene at some point in the future). I do agree that many of the players do disappear after this level, but it is difficult to know who and sometimes they disappear and come back. Though I agree that it would be surprising (given that Haineault was chosen over David Edgar last time) if was to disappear at this early stage. You have to love David Edgar though - here is one player that seems to show no intention of using getting cut from an U17 team be an excuse to go play for another. Hint, Hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I appreciate that, just felt it was a bit too soon to be comparing him to Girard (and who knows whether Girard may crop back into the scene at some point in the future). I do agree that many of the players do disappear after this level, but it is difficult to know who and sometimes they disappear and come back. Though I agree that it would be surprising (given that Haineault was chosen over David Edgar last time) if was to disappear at this early stage. You have to love David Edgar though - here is one player that seems to show no intention of using getting cut from an U17 team be an excuse to go play for another. Hint, Hint. That is true David and Romallho were part of the U-17's and played in the US. Some players had told my son, Romallho was invited to join the squad before the qualification last time around but was injured. You never really know why people were left out and its always dangerous to poit fingers. I personally asked Steve Hart once about selections, he really did not wish to comment. He did say that only 18 can be selected and some times some players perform better than others eeerrrr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by loyola Note that Uccello was invited but prefered to stay with his club. your interpertation of "NOTE" i have some concerns and i would like to hear from you as to why he was not able to attend maybe you do not have your facts straight for this forum. First of all I just returned from Milan after being a away for a month from Toronto. And I saw Julian he was delighted to hear from the coach of the Canadian U20 team unfortunalty he could not attend the camp due to committments already made to the teams departure for a tournament in Spain with his team the end of this month which had a major conflict and the short notice and finals of his champions league which did not help much. Plus he had only 2 days to make a decision being told 1st week of April and to report back to the coach in Canada within 48 hours. He told me that he indicated that he was honoured to be ask and will wait to hear from mr Mitchell in the future and will continue to work very hard every day in these remaining games of his teams champions league and looks forward in meeting him one day on Canandian soil and or other duties he may need of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I think loyola was simply highligting something mentioned in the CSA press release, rather than making any claims to insider knowledge. Anyway, nice to hear the fuller details of Julian's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I think loyola was simply highligting something mentioned in the CSA press release, rather than making any claims to insider knowledge. Anyway, nice to hear the fuller details of Julian's decision. That's it Alberto, did I suggest Uccello was the next Hargreaves? No and I didn't suggest any reasons as why he couldn't attend the camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I think loyola was simply highligting something mentioned in the CSA press release, rather than making any claims to insider knowledge. Anyway, nice to hear the fuller details of Julian's decision. That's it Alberto, did I suggest Uccello was the next Hargreaves? No and I didn't suggest any reasons as why he couldn't attend the camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbro Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Just a note Cam Wilson is an 86 not an 87 so he is not eligible for 2007 like Lombardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbro Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Just a note Cam Wilson is an 86 not an 87 so he is not eligible for 2007 like Lombardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by loyola That's it Alberto, did I suggest Uccello was the next Hargreaves? No and I didn't suggest any reasons as why he couldn't attend the camp. I took your second follow up of your orginal post as Being a Quote by you " Note that Uccello was invited but prefered to stay with his club " and how else would one think that he would be the next Hargreaves as you have just by chance brought it up now in this post! If your are offended by my interuptions of your post other than to notify this forum of the press Release documents of the CSA then you should do that but to further comment after the release you making a statement and thats not the case. Julian should wish he was in Hargreaves shoes than he would have secure choice of both the Canadian team and the Italian national u20 team. Further I would like just say that if infact he had only 48 hours to make a descion to attend a camp as he mentioned to me, I don't blame him at all, there are certain request that must be made in accordance to the rules of asking a player that belong to a club, but I think more notice than that persoanlly should be appropiate do you think. Maybe the Coach did have much of a choice to give him more notice or what ever who cares but the bottom line i believe he left to the coach of Canada team to extend his invitation the next time around and he welcomed his call that important thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by loyola That's it Alberto, did I suggest Uccello was the next Hargreaves? No and I didn't suggest any reasons as why he couldn't attend the camp. I took your second follow up of your orginal post as Being a Quote by you " Note that Uccello was invited but prefered to stay with his club " and how else would one think that he would be the next Hargreaves as you have just by chance brought it up now in this post! If your are offended by my interuptions of your post other than to notify this forum of the press Release documents of the CSA then you should do that but to further comment after the release you making a statement and thats not the case. Julian should wish he was in Hargreaves shoes than he would have secure choice of both the Canadian team and the Italian national u20 team. Further I would like just say that if infact he had only 48 hours to make a descion to attend a camp as he mentioned to me, I don't blame him at all, there are certain request that must be made in accordance to the rules of asking a player that belong to a club, but I think more notice than that persoanlly should be appropiate do you think. Maybe the Coach did have much of a choice to give him more notice or what ever who cares but the bottom line i believe he left to the coach of Canada team to extend his invitation the next time around and he welcomed his call that important thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 My comment was to highlight that Uccello was invited to the camp. That's it. In a recent thread I made the same kind of comments " Note that Paul Dolan is the GK coach" just to highlight something I thought was interesting in the article. Same thing here, I think that it is good that Uccello because from what I understand he wasn't invited to the last training camp (maybe I'm wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 My comment was to highlight that Uccello was invited to the camp. That's it. In a recent thread I made the same kind of comments " Note that Paul Dolan is the GK coach" just to highlight something I thought was interesting in the article. Same thing here, I think that it is good that Uccello because from what I understand he wasn't invited to the last training camp (maybe I'm wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 you are correct this is the first time he was asked and excited until he found out the dates, if he could have gone he certainally would have, He indicated to me he was disappointed that he could not, and looks forward to the next if there is one for him. but it seemed slighlty highlited with your follow up of your orginal post. No problem. we move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 you are correct this is the first time he was asked and excited until he found out the dates, if he could have gone he certainally would have, He indicated to me he was disappointed that he could not, and looks forward to the next if there is one for him. but it seemed slighlty highlited with your follow up of your orginal post. No problem. we move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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