argh1 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 www.concacaf.com/view_article.asp?id=2381 Conacaf Champions Cup draw takes place to-day Jan 14, with the 1st games played March 17th Can any-one give me any reason why I should pay any-more attention to this , then say the recent Gulf Cup ( Saudi won[:0]) Any western hemisphere junkies out there want to take the time;)to convince me to take my eyes off Europe in March and April[)] I should mention the teams in the draw are CFU ,CL Financial San Juan Jabloth (T&T), Mexico, CF Monterey,and CF Pachuca, U.S of A. , Chicago Fire , and San Jose Eathquakes, UNCAF , Deportivo Saprissa , LD Alajuelense from Costa Rica and Deportivo F.A.S. (El Salvador) replacing the Guatemalan team that was suspended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by argh1 www.concacaf.com/view_article.asp?id=2381 Conacaf Champions Cup draw takes place to-day Jan 14, with the 1st games played March 17th Can any-one give me any reason why I should pay any-more attention to this , then say the recent Gulf Cup ( Saudi won[:0]) Any western hemisphere junkies out there want to take the time;)to convince me to take my eyes off Europe in March and April[)] I should mention the teams in the draw are CFU ,CL Financial San Juan Jabloth (T&T), Mexico, CF Monterey,and CF Pachuca, U.S of A. , Chicago Fire , and San Jose Eathquakes, UNCAF , Deportivo Saprissa , LD Alajuelense from Costa Rica and Deportivo F.A.S. (El Salvador) replacing the Guatemalan team that was suspended! It would be more interesting if the winner of this tournament would qualify for the Copa Libertadores. Otherwise, its difficult to get excited about it. I mean, how many people even remember who won the Champions Cup last year?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montry Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher It would be more interesting if the winner of this tournament would qualify for the Copa Libertadores. Otherwise, its difficult to get excited about it. I mean, how many people even remember who won the Champions Cup last year?? The mexican team Toluca did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 Well, the winner does qualify for the proposed FIFA World Cup Championship tournament, which is supposed to be held in North America (Mexico and the US) in the summer of 2005. Because of the promise (and potential payday) of this, Montery has dropped out of the Liberatores Cup qualifications for the two Mexican teams to concentrate on the CONCANAF championship, so it is important to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montry Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by beachesl Well, the winner does qualify for the proposed FIFA World Cup Championship tournament, which is supposed to be held in North America (Mexico and the US) in the summer of 2005. Because of the promise (and potential payday) of this, Montery has dropped out of the Liberatores Cup qualifications for the two Mexican teams to concentrate on the CONCANAF championship, so it is important to some. That's not true, Concacaf obligated Mexico to send their two champions to Concacaf Champions Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by argh1 Can any-one give me any reason why I should pay any-more attention to this , then say the recent Gulf Cup ( Saudi won[:0]) Well, you can pay attention to whatever you want. Not everything needs to be the World Cup, a top European league, or the UEFA Champions League or Copa Libertadores. I enjoy the "lesser-lights" a great deal; it's one of the reasons I like soccer so much. I think the idea of the CONCACAF Champions Cup is important (as are all continental championships --- and national championships, for that matter). Unfortunately it is not well executed, but I think the establishment of a stable FIFA Club World Championship (in some form) would help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted January 15, 2004 Author Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DJT Well, you can pay attention to whatever you want. Not everything needs to be the World Cup, a top European league, or the UEFA Champions League or Copa Libertadores. I enjoy the "lesser-lights" a great deal; it's one of the reasons I like soccer so much. I think the idea of the CONCACAF Champions Cup is important (as are all continental championships --- and national championships, for that matter). Unfortunately it is not well executed, but I think the establishment of a stable FIFA Club World Championship (in some form) would help a lot. Truthfully DJT , I agree with you , the soccer world is so vast , that there has to be something to interest almost everyone! Thank-you for giving me 1 reason to follow this tourney:)and Beaches and Montry and amacpher, at least I look up who wins;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Montry That's not true, Concacaf obligated Mexico to send their two champions to Concacaf Champions Cup. Yeah, I heard about that!! Seems grossly unfair that the champions</u> of Mexico should be punished like this! Not that playing in the Champions Cup is a punishment, but being excluded from the Copa Lib. qualifying tournament only because you are Mexican champions seems odd to say the least! Wouldn't the Copa Lib. bring in more money for the club? And wouldn't the Mexican league stand to profit more if they actually sent their 2 best clubs to the Copa Lib. instead of 2, essentially, random teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Montry That's not true, Concacaf obligated Mexico to send their two champions to Concacaf Champions Cup. You[8D] are right, I[)] am wrong. My mistake about choice was probably due to an article I read where a Monterey official, probably rationalizing, was speculating on how much money a World Club Cup 2005 (if it takes place)appearance home in Monterey may bring, given that the chances of winning the CONCACAF Champions Club are so much higher than winning the Libertadores Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimglow Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by beachesl You[8D] are right, I[)] am wrong. My mistake about choice was probably due to an article I read where a Monterey official, probably rationalizing, was speculating on how much money a World Club Cup 2005 (if it takes place)appearance home in Monterey may bring, given that the chances of winning the CONCACAF Champions Club are so much higher than winning the Libertadores Cup. But you're not wrong about the profitability of participating in a World Club Cup. I surmise that it would be way more profitable to participate in the World Club Cup than the Copa Libertadores. No hard facts to back me up, but it's just logical, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Mimglow But you're not wrong about the profitability of participating in a World Club Cup. I surmise that it would be way more profitable to participate in the World Club Cup than the Copa Libertadores. No hard facts to back me up, but it's just logical, isn't it? Awesome! Another reason to love the World Club Cup! I don't think the economic-gap between big clubs and small ones is quite wide enough just yet. I'm not sure how much clubs will get in the next WCC, but in the 1999 WCC the champions got $6 million, 2nd place $5m, etc... down to $2.5m for 5th to 8th place (http://www.sportscheduler.co.sz/club_world_championship_2000.htm ) Seems like peanuts compared to what the Copa Libertadores will bring home. With 4-5 home games and 70,000 fans per game, a Mexican team could earn several million $$ just on gate receipts alone! Of course, the next WCC will probably be more lucrative. Then again, the chances that any one mexican team qualifies for the WCC is probably, what? 30-35%? And then there actually has to be a 2005 WCC to begin with. Personally, I would rather take the sure money from the Copa Lib. than risk getting squat! (not that they had a choice) money money money money .... [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimglow Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Awesome! Another reason to love the World Club Cup! I don't think the economic-gap between big clubs and small ones is quite wide enough just yet. I'm not sure how much clubs will get in the next WCC, but in the 1999 WCC the champions got $6 million, 2nd place $5m, etc... down to $2.5m for 5th to 8th place (http://www.sportscheduler.co.sz/club_world_championship_2000.htm ) Seems like peanuts compared to what the Copa Libertadores will bring home. With 4-5 home games and 70,000 fans per game, a Mexican team could earn several million $$ just on gate receipts alone! Of course, the next WCC will probably be more lucrative. Then again, the chances that any one mexican team qualifies for the WCC is probably, what? 30-35%? And then there actually has to be a 2005 WCC to begin with. Personally, I would rather take the sure money from the Copa Lib. than risk getting squat! (not that they had a choice) money money money money .... [] The opportunity to play the Manchester Uniteds and Real Madrids of the world don't come by very often. Once that tournament becomes engrained in the schedule, it will be 2nd in stature only to the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Mimglow The opportunity to play the Manchester Uniteds and Real Madrids of the world don't come by very often. Once that tournament becomes engrained in the schedule, it will be 2nd in stature only to the World Cup. That's a bold statement! However, up until the 60's the World Cup used to lie well below the FA Cup in terms of stature so I guess anything is possible. But I think its too early to say whether the World Club Championship will one day turn into the club-equivalent of the World Cup (ie. every region’s best teams participate, everyone involved takes it seriously and the games are followed and shown on TV throughout the World) or the club equivalent of the Confederations Cup (ie. a bunch of random undeserving, unqualified teams participate, some teams field a 3rd-string squad and the games are neither followed nor shown on TV at all to most of the World). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimglow Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher That's a bold statement! However, up until the 60's the World Cup used to lie well below the FA Cup in terms of stature so I guess anything is possible. But I think its too early to say whether the World Club Championship will one day turn into the club-equivalent of the World Cup (ie. every region’s best teams participate, everyone involved takes it seriously and the games are followed and shown on TV throughout the World) or the club equivalent of the Confederations Cup (ie. a bunch of random undeserving, unqualified teams participate, some teams field a 3rd-string squad and the games are neither followed nor shown on TV at all to most of the World). See, I don't think it's that bold! I really believe the important elements are there; regional representation, world's best players, high stakes ($$$), and bragging rights. The exposure alone for the said clubs is enough to make it a worthwhile venture. Remember, Man U opted out of the FA Cup to go to the World Club Cup last time around, and it was really just a dry run (won by a Brazilian team no less. I`m sure the supporters of that club still wear that distinction with some pride!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimglow Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher That's a bold statement! However, up until the 60's the World Cup used to lie well below the FA Cup in terms of stature so I guess anything is possible. But I think its too early to say whether the World Club Championship will one day turn into the club-equivalent of the World Cup (ie. every region’s best teams participate, everyone involved takes it seriously and the games are followed and shown on TV throughout the World) or the club equivalent of the Confederations Cup (ie. a bunch of random undeserving, unqualified teams participate, some teams field a 3rd-string squad and the games are neither followed nor shown on TV at all to most of the World). See, I don't think it's that bold! I really believe the important elements are there; regional representation, world's best players, high stakes ($$$), and bragging rights. The exposure alone for the said clubs is enough to make it a worthwhile venture. Remember, Man U opted out of the FA Cup to go to the World Club Cup last time around, and it was really just a dry run (won by a Brazilian team no less. I`m sure the supporters of that club still wear that distinction with some pride!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montry Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 And we are out of all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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