Rivaldo Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 From today's Globe & Mail: Rogers Sportsnet will begin airing a game from the Spanish soccer league Primera Liga on a same-day delay on Sundays, but only on a digital outlet. Viewers will need digital cable or a satellite dish to access the games. Real Madrid, with its lineup of international stars, is the big attraction. On Sunday at 7 p.m. EST, it will be Real Madrid against RCD Mallorca. If it's only on digital why not show it live? Tape delay rights are cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Just checking the sportsnet schedule , I see the Dec 21st game is on the schedule for EAST & PACIFIC only but a Jan 10th game Primera Liga is listed for East, Ontario, West & Pacific. Maybe the ommission is a miss print......or are there other NHL?NBA? regional specific games all ready committed too on Dec 21st for Ontario and West viewers?? But hey it looks like both coasts will get the Dec 21st game with at least one more Primera game on the Jan 10th.....wonder if this will be a new thing for Sportsnet, if so thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivaldo Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 I don't think it is a misprint. The Sportsnet web site is changing their schedule pages, so it's hard to tell. One page says the match on Dec. 21 will be on in Pacific and the other doesn't. From what I saw on Soccercentral yesterday it sounds as if they will be showing most games in only a couple of regions. For the regions who don't get it, it isn't necessarily because of other commitments. This Sunday evening, Ontario is showing the OHL Toronto @ Brampton game, but West is just showing reruns and Sportsnetnews. The Jan. 4 game looks like it will only be on Pacific, Then Jan. 10 & 11 everyone gets the game(s). Is there rhyme or reason to this? I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 It's still a great x-mas gift to soccer fans! Hala Madrid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Rivaldo For the regions who don't get it, it isn't necessarily because of other commitments. This Sunday evening, Ontario is showing the OHL Toronto @ Brampton game, but West is just showing reruns and Sportsnetnews. Yeah, I think we'll all remember what we were doing the day of the Toronto @ Brampton OHL game.... But this is a good sign. Sportsnet is probably just testing the market with a single game here and there, but surely the ratings will be good and they'll show more games later (just like GolTV - started showing 1 or 2 games per weekend this season, now they are showing 4 or 5 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Yeah, I think we'll all remember what we were doing the day of the Toronto @ Brampton OHL game.... If you're just kidding then fine, but if you're serious then I must object to what you're implying. Generally speaking, Canadian sports full of Canadian content (especially of this variety, ie. free of millionaires, commercialism, etc., etc.) must take precedence over foreign sports with no Canadian content. Even though I don't watch the OHL (or any other hockey, really), I think this is much more important than Spanish soccer. Regarding Sportsnet's scheduling... It's possible that these Spanish games will not be available on non-digital Sportsnet in any region. Just because something is broadcast on, say, Sportsnet East digital does not necessarily mean that it will be broadcast on the regular Sportsnet East available only in the East (and vice versa). Sportsnet can make something available across the country by broadcasting it on any two digital feeds without making it available on any local feed --- remember that this happened with the Germany vs. Canada friendly last June. However, it would be surprising if Sportsnet would show these games only on digital, considering their cost and that there are relatively few digital subscribers. Futhermore, the schedules on Sportsnet's site do not suggest that they will show these games only on digital, but while these schedules remain inconsistent and confusing we can't eliminate the possibility. What we need is some sort of statement from Sportsnet. At this time there is still no mention of Spanish coverage on their site except for in the schedules (ie. they are not promoting it at all, while the EPL is plastered all over the site). My reservations about Spanish soccer on Sportsnet: (1) Will it be Spanish soccer or Real Madrid/Barcelona soccer? If it's the latter then I can't get too excited. (2) I am concerned about the fact that Sportsnet can afford Spanish soccer (which I know is expensive) but did not give us the U20 WC and other national team games, let alone spend any time our our clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 [^] Okay , allright.......on the sportsnet.ca Dec 19th 30 games total , you can watch'em all if you subscribe to all 4 time zones, stations , channels whatever. Regular cable viewers, subscribers .....those of us who refuse to pay more than we already do for the opportunity to sit on our fanny. EAST 14 games,Ontario 8, WEST 5 & PACIFIC 17 games. Why the breakdown like that......ahhhhhhh I DUNNO. Visit sportsnet.ca to see for thyself. Now if I could only get Sunday nights off instead of Tuesdays & Wednesdays .........talk about tape delay..... 11am the next day;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT If you're just kidding then fine, but if you're serious then I must object to what you're implying. Generally speaking, Canadian sports full of Canadian content (especially of this variety, ie. free of millionaires, commercialism, etc., etc.) must take precedence over foreign sports with no Canadian content. Even though I don't watch the OHL (or any other hockey, really), I think this is much more important than Spanish soccer. Well, I was half-joking. But at you said, you don't watch it. And neither will anyone else (esp. outside Toronto). But lets not worry too much about what a couple of Real Madrid games will do to Canadian Culture. Compared to what they do in Europe - showing foreign leagues on regular TV and restricting domestic matches to pay TV - this is nothing (especially since Canada doesn't have a league). And as far as showing junior hockey, I don't have a problem with it (although I do think it's complete sh*te). But keep it local (don't show Toronto-Brampton to people in Thunder Bay). Because the lower the level of a league is, the more localized the club support becomes. And I think that justifies showing Real Madrid in Canada (like every other country). quote:Originally posted by DJT My reservations about Spanish soccer on Sportsnet: (1) Will it be Spanish soccer or Real Madrid/Barcelona soccer? If it's the latter then I can't get too excited. Pretty safe to say it will be Real Madrid/Barcelona soccer as it should be (to start with). Showing Albacete - Vigo is not going to spark people's interest in La Liga. Maybe down the road sometime. Maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 quote:Originally posted by amacpher But lets not worry too much about what a couple of Real Madrid games will do to Canadian Culture. That's not my concern. My concern is that I don't want to be hypocritical. I want Canadian A-League teams to get more exposure. But how can I ask for that and at the same time accept Spanish soccer in place of Canadian junior hockey? In other words, I can't ask for minor league soccer and then push aside minor league hockey. quote:Pretty safe to say it will be Real Madrid/Barcelona soccer as it should be (to start with). Showing Albacete - Vigo is not going to spark people's interest in La Liga.My point is that I want proper league coverage. This means showing whatever key matches are being played in the league. Look at the next set of matches on January 4: which is more interesting, Valencia (2nd place) vs. Villareal (5th) or Real Madrid (1st) vs. Murcia (19th)? I don't understand why we can get fairly balanced coverage of the other three big leagues but when it comes to Spain it has to be all Real Madrid and Barcelona (or that strange package we got from FSW last year). Showing Real Madrid and Barcelona all the time won't spark interest in the Spanish league, it can only spark interest in those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT My point is that I want proper league coverage. This means showing whatever key matches are being played in the league. Look at the next set of matches on January 4: which is more interesting, Valencia (2nd place) vs. Villareal (5th) or Real Madrid (1st) vs. Murcia (19th)? I don't understand why we can get fairly balanced coverage of the other three big leagues but when it comes to Spain it has to be all Real Madrid and Barcelona (or that strange package we got from FSW last year). Showing Real Madrid and Barcelona all the time won't spark interest in the Spanish league, it can only spark interest in those teams. Well, personally I would rather see the Valencia game (mainly to see Aimar and the former Barcelona players Sonny Anderson and JRR), but I think I'm in the minority. Pretty safe to say the Real Madrid game would draw a bigger audience. In the EPL there doesn't exist any Valencia's or Deportivo's (ie. teams that compete for the title every year yet have no fan support abroad). So I think its easier to cover that league while, at the same time, get the highest possible ratings. For Spain, if you wanna get the highest possible ratings you have to show a heavy dose of games involving teams in the bottom-half of the table. It's just not a 3 team league like everywhere else.... The good news is, the Real Madrid - Murcia game will be more entertaining than any EPL or serie A game that week (with the possible exception of the Roma-Milan game, MAYBE). Just like the Mallorca-Real game last Sunday was. So viewers still win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT Look at the next set of matches on January 4: which is more interesting, Valencia (2nd place) vs. Villareal (5th) or Real Madrid (1st) vs. Murcia (19th)? Turns out Sportsnet are showing both games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Valencia - Villareal is also a regional derby, even though the latter is in theory much more modest. I agree it is the better game. Murcia has just signed former Barça keeper Bonano, who was discarded by Rijkaard to make way for Rustu to ride the pine. Unfortunately Madrid is so superior to all other teams, especially at home, that if they lose or draw it will inevitably mean they have played terribly. Except against any of the three or four other top sides. So it is a bit of a waste of a game to show. I am sure the package must stipulate a certain set of quotas for who is seen and when, with the price for Sportsnet fixed in function of this. But I agree with whoever said that there is no great fan support of teams like Depor or Valencia outside of Spain, though I don't know really why that is. Questions of the excessive dominance of Madrid and to a lesser extent Barcelona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimglow Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT That's not my concern. My concern is that I don't want to be hypocritical. I want Canadian A-League teams to get more exposure. But how can I ask for that and at the same time accept Spanish soccer in place of Canadian junior hockey? In other words, I can't ask for minor league soccer and then push aside minor league hockey. My point is that I want proper league coverage. This means showing whatever key matches are being played in the league. Look at the next set of matches on January 4: which is more interesting, Valencia (2nd place) vs. Villareal (5th) or Real Madrid (1st) vs. Murcia (19th)? I don't understand why we can get fairly balanced coverage of the other three big leagues but when it comes to Spain it has to be all Real Madrid and Barcelona (or that strange package we got from FSW last year). Showing Real Madrid and Barcelona all the time won't spark interest in the Spanish league, it can only spark interest in those teams. You're right about the coverage packages. Last year FSWC got that weird package where it was everything but Real and Barcelona, and this package Sportsnet got was exclusively Barca and Real. Looks to me like you can only get one or the other. Very weird, but I'm guessing it's a Spanish-based rule, and not Canadian networks's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Mimglow Last year FSWC got that weird package where it was everything but Real and Barcelona, and this package Sportsnet got was exclusively Barca and Real. Looks to me like you can only get one or the other. Hmmm... but Sportsnet is showing Valencia-Villareal this Sunday. And they haven't even shown Barcelona yet, have they? So I see no problem here! quote:Originally posted by DJT That's not my concern. My concern is that I don't want to be hypocritical. I want Canadian A-League teams to get more exposure. But how can I ask for that and at the same time accept Spanish soccer in place of Canadian junior hockey? In other words, I can't ask for minor league soccer and then push aside minor league hockey. I don't think A-league should be on TV (along with CHL). With these minor leagues I think its all about going to the stadium or arena and enjoying the family/neighbourhood atmosphere. ON TV (with the bad lighting, 3rd rate announcers and awkward camera angles) it just doesn't look good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Just out of curiosity, where is Sportsnet getting their feed from? Is it ESPN, GolTV with SN commentators or some other network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiankick97 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 There getting it from GolTV with GolTV commentators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 quote:Originally posted by canadiankick97 There getting it from GolTV with GolTV commentators. Clarification: the regular GolTV commentary is in Spanish (just for Spanish games or all the time? amacpher would know), but the SAP commentary is in English --- that's what we're getting (it's really bad!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DJT Clarification: the regular GolTV commentary is in Spanish (just for Spanish games or all the time? amacpher would know), but the SAP commentary is in English --- that's what we're getting (it's really bad!). Yeah, GolTV is spanish all the time... Seems like a waste that ESPN int'l has GOOD english commentary but Sportsnet doesn't (or can't) use it. Must be cheaper going the GolTV route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Yeah, GolTV is spanish all the time... Seems like a waste that ESPN int'l has GOOD english commentary but Sportsnet doesn't (or can't) use it. Must be cheaper going the GolTV route. It seems to vary by match. This past weekend, the Real Madrid-Murcia match seemed to have British commentary. I had assumed it was from Sky, or whomever has the rights in the U.K. The Valencia match on Sunday had different commentary, I couldn't tell where it was from and I did only watch a couple of minutes of it. The on-screen graphics appeared to be a bit different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Yeah, GolTV is spanish all the time... Seems like a waste that ESPN int'l has GOOD english commentary but Sportsnet doesn't (or can't) use it. Must be cheaper going the GolTV route. It seems to vary by match. This past weekend, the Real Madrid-Murcia match seemed to have British commentary. I had assumed it was from Sky, or whomever has the rights in the U.K. The Valencia match on Sunday had different commentary, I couldn't tell where it was from and I did only watch a couple of minutes of it. The on-screen graphics appeared to be a bit different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by PaulV It seems to vary by match. This past weekend, the Real Madrid-Murcia match seemed to have British commentary. I had assumed it was from Sky, or whomever has the rights in the U.K. The Valencia match on Sunday had different commentary, I couldn't tell where it was from and I did only watch a couple of minutes of it. The on-screen graphics appeared to be a bit different as well. The only match I've seen is Valencia vs. Villareal, so I assumed they were all the same. I'm pretty sure that the commentary on that one was GolTV's SAP commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Watching the R.Madrid-R.Sociedad match now. The British match commentary is quite good but the translation of the pregame and halftime Spanish commentators is hilarious, probably better than the game itself, I couldn't stop laughing. The translators can barely speak English themselves and speak a mixture of Spanish and English. Reminds me of being in Spain and the few museums that deigned it necessary to have english translations didn't seem to concern themselves with whether the translators could actually speak english or just used a dictionary (in otherwords one had to use free association thought processes to try to make any sense of the texts). Pretty poor production standards from GolTV (the camerawork is also not first rate). Still although I don't like the fact Sportsnet didn't bother to show our U-20 games it is still nice to watch some top level soccer and certainly beats the floods of US college sports and other anything from the US fare that they and the other sports channels usually show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly The translators can barely speak English themselves and speak a mixture of Spanish and English. I speak some Spanglish if you need a translator. quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Still although I don't like the fact Sportsnet didn't bother to show our U-20 games it is still nice to watch some top level soccer and certainly beats the floods of US college sports and other anything from the US fare that they and the other sports channels usually show. And alot better than HNIC too! Oooo... only 3 months until an NHL game begins to mean something. I'm so excited! *eye roll* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Did anyone see the promo cut for Spanish soccer on Sportsnet? You might have seen it if you were watching the EPL games yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiankick97 Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG Did anyone see the promo cut for Spanish soccer on Sportsnet? You might have seen it if you were watching the EPL games yesterday. Yeah, I saw it. Too bad they mentioned nothing about the games being televised in Sportsnet Ontario but in all the other regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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