Crazy_Yank Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 TEAM DATES TOTAL AVERAGE Chicago 15 210,080 14,005 Colorado 15 251,578 16,772 Columbus 15 243,756 16,250 Dallas 15 118,585 7,906 D.C. 15 233,476 15,565 Kansas City 15 233,594 15,573 Los Angeles 15 329,752 21,983 MetroStars 15 237,326 15,822 New England 15 219,611 14,641 San Jose 15 156,989 10,466 MLS Totals 150 2,234,747 14,898 This is pretty good. Especially considering Dallas' awful stadium situation. They play in a higschool football stadium with field turf, and permanent gridiron lines. They atmosphere is terrible and their attendance has dropped nearly 50%. Thankfully they move into their own soccer specific stadium in 2005. Chicago moved back into Soldier Field and averaged 30,000 for their last two games. Here is the attendance for the last 3 seasons: 2002 15,822 2001 14,961 2000 13,756 Last year's attendance was inflated due to several double headers with international matches, 4th of July games, and interest/excitement about the world cup. Especially the performance of the US and its MLS stars. The vast majority of this year's games were stand alone matches. Throw out Dallas' crap attendance and the league's average is 15,675. I think this shows MLS is on the right track and has consolidated a nice group of core fans. Now they have to improve the presention (stadiums) and the quality on the field. I think once all teams have their own stadiums and full scale youth academies (10-15 years down the road) we'll see something truly special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl_19 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Yea i think ig this league is given time it can really showcase some TOP class soccer...its not there Yet tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 this is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultras Godfather Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 mls has to hang in there, the league is developing strong players and look at the results from the last WC. The mls will find its niche and cont' to dominate the CONCACAF region where as Canada cont' to struggle and flounder away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontosupport Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Averages: England Premier L. average: 34,813 03/04 YTD England Division 1 average: 15,259 03/04 YTD England Division 2 average: 7,081 03/04 YTD England Division 3 average: 5,099 03/04 YTD Holland: Division 1 (Eredivise): 15,824 03/04 YTD France: Division 1 (Ligue 1): 20,875 03/04 YTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 anyone know the average for series a? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 dont know the average but have heard that juve is downsizing their stadium from 71.000 to 41.000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 quote:Originally posted by hamiltonfan anyone know the average for series a? Currently it is around 25,000. Through the 1990s it was consistently around 30,000. I think the drop is due to the fact that some bigger teams who play in bigger stadiums and cities (eg. Bari, Fiorentina, Genoa, Napoli, Sampdoria, Torino) have spent a lot of time in Serie B and have been replaced by smaller teams who play in smaller stadiums and cities (particularly in the last couple of years, eg. Ancona, Chievo, Como, Empoli, Modena, Siena). But in the 1980s it was up to 35,000, and the current low numbers have not been seen since the 1960s, so I wonder about other factors (eg. television?). Over the last few years Spain has been in the 25,000-30,000 range as well, while Germany has been a bit over 30,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Yank Posted November 2, 2003 Author Share Posted November 2, 2003 World wide MLS has the 10th best soccer league attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Yeah, but aren't they there because their own stadium is too small for Serie A regulations? Doesn't Chievo have a population of like 15,000??? I think he was talking more along the lines of bigger communities in Serie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack I know it doesn't matter much, but, Chievo plays in a stadium that holds over 40,000 people, and it was also used at the 1990 World Cup. quote:Originally posted by Daniel Yeah, but aren't they there because their own stadium is too small for Serie A regulations? Doesn't Chievo have a population of like 15,000??? I think he was talking more along the lines of bigger communities in Serie B. Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at. Let me rephrase my point: there have been quite a few teams in Serie A recently that just don't have the potential to draw huge crowds because of one or more of the following factors: (1) they play in a relatively small city, (2) they share their fan base with another comparable club in the same city, (3) their stadium is small (though I suppose even the clubs with small stadiums wouldn't get more fans if their stadium was bigger due to (1) and/or (2) --- in fact perhaps I'm wrong and stadiums aren't a factor at all). I think Chievo falls under (1) and (2). They represent a small area of Verona, where I think most people are Hellas Verona fans. They used to get around 5,000 fans before reaching Serie A (as Daniel said, in a smaller stadium) and their attendance has tripled to around 15,000 since then, but they're just not going to get any more than that (unless the Verona fans switch teams, but that would be awful!). Compare this to clubs like Napoli who can average 40,000-50,000 in Serie A but are closer to relegation to Serie C1. Anyway, just tossing around some numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT Over the last few years Spain has been in the 25,000-30,000 range as well, while Germany has been a bit over 30,000. The Bundesliga numbers are impressive considering that some stadiums are under major renovation or simply having been built yet (like the one in Munich) - all in preparation for the world cup. Three years from now I'd expect the average Bundesliga attendance to be well over 40,000! MLS attendance is horrible!! Don't know where they get their numbers?! Pull them out of a hat is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Yank Posted November 4, 2003 Author Share Posted November 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Yeah, they just make it up as they go along [8)] How many matches have you actually attened? I attend serveral matches each season. The numbers are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Crazy_Yank Yeah, they just make it up as they go along [8)] How many matches have you actually attened? I attend serveral matches each season. The numbers are accurate. Attending matches personally has nothing to do with it. Even if you have season's tickets, you only see 1 stadium out of 10... Well, at the very least, the numbers for NY and LA seem inflated. An average of 16,000 in NY means almost half the lower bowl of Giants stadium would be full (on average). Something I haven't seen even once .... and just from looking on TV there's noway 80% of the seats in LA are filled normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 You are as knowledgeable about the Bundesliga as you are about the MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Yank Posted November 5, 2003 Author Share Posted November 5, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Ed You are as knowledgeable about the Bundesliga as you are about the MLS. Amen. Can I get a witness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Ed You are as knowledgeable about the Bundesliga as you are about the MLS. huh? What did I say about the Bundesliga that isn't true? Do you want me to take a picture of the incredible stadium being built in Munich or the 80,000 fans who are making a habit of going to Dortmund games now? I'm telling ya, the next World Cup will be the most successful ever!! Great stadiums, great fans, great beer. Alot of world cup players are not gonna wanna leave the country after the World Cup. Plus the clubs in Germany are not paying for their stadium re-construction projects so they're bound to make big money in the near future. The Bundesliga should be much stronger in a couple years. As for soccer in the USA, I've said before on here that I think it will be big given time. The USA is not like Canada (a country that has found a national sport already). But success will come only once MLS quit their dreadfully phoney NBA-style advertising technique. Stop promoting the league as a whole and start promoting individual players and teams. And stop trying to cater to Joe 6-pack sportsfan! And don't expand too fast! They need to get Europeans in there directing the league and get them there fast!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Hmmmm. Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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