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    What's wrong with TFC?

    It's a question that many have and, despite protests to the contrary, has no simple answer. There are a lot of factors that have made TFC the mess that it is right now. Some have to do with management, others have to do with factors outside anyone's control.

    For the next few days we will explore the various factors and look to see if there might be some solutions.

    To start, let's cut to the biggest factor of all. No, it's not simply MLSE sucks. That's always been too simple by half. However, management failure is part of it.

    Find out what TFC's biggest failure is below the jump.

    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]Scouting. Or, if you prefer, talent identification. Simply put, Toronto has failed miserably at identifying MLS players. They are terrible at it.

    TFC fans understand that fact without seeing the proof, but to avoid any questions CSN ran the numbers.

    To run an apples to apples comparison we looked at every player that played in MLS in 2009. We picked the 2009 season because it was far enough in the past that judgments have been made on the players that played then, but not so long ago that players could reasonably be expected to have retired.

    We created three categories. Two, MLS retention and club retention, are self-evident. They measure what percentage of players on each club's rosters are still with the team (SWT) or still in the league (SIL).

    We called the third category Positive Career Path. It measures what percentage of players are still playing professionally in MLS or in another D1 league. The thinking is that if a player is still playing D1* somewhere he was likely a capable MLS player in 2009 (which speaks to the ability of the club to identify talent.

    Other categories players fall into include retired, playing division 2 or lower (D2oL) or the dreaded Out of Football (OoF) – you don't want those guys.

    *the D1 identifier is subjective in that some D1 leagues are weaker than some D2 leagues. Rather than try and get into those debates we kept it simple. If the player was in a D1 league, we considered them playing at a higher level than a player in a D2 league, regardless of what country. The truth is the number of players affected by this is minimal.

    The breakdown:

    Columbus

    Will Hesmer – SWT

    Duncan Oughton – SWT

    Eddie Gaven – SWT

    Chad Marshall – SWT

    Kevin Burns – SWT

    Emilio Rentería – SWT

    Andy Gruenebaum – SWT

    Alejandro Moreno – SIL

    Adam Moffat – SIL

    Brian Carroll – SIL

    Eric Brunner – SIL

    Jed Zayner – SIL

    Steven Lenhart - SaDB

    Emmanuel Ekpo – Europe

    Robbie Rogers – Europe

    Alex Grendi – D2oL

    Danny O'Rourke – D2oL

    Jason Garey – D2oL

    Cory Elenio – D2oL

    Frankie Hejduk – Retired

    Gino Padula – retired

    Guillermo Barros Schelotto – Retired

    Andy Iro – OoF

    Columbus total: 7 SWT, 6 SIL, 2 Other D1 League, 4 D2oL, 3 Retired, 1 OoF

    62.5% - positive career path; 54.1% MLS retention; 29.1% Club retention

    Chicago

    Patrick Nyarko – SWT

    Marco Pappa – SWT

    Chris Rolfe – SWT

    Logan Pause – SWT

    Austin Washington – SWT

    Gonzalo Segares – SWT

    Jon Busch – SIL

    C.J. Brown – SIL

    Calen Carr – SIL

    Tim Ward – SIL

    John Thorrington – SIL

    Justin Mapp – SIL

    Wilman Conde – SIL

    Daniel Woolard – SIL

    Bakary Soumaré – Europe

    Baggio Hušidić – Europe

    Mike Banner – Europe

    Blanco – Mexico D2

    Stefan Dimitrov – D2oL

    Andrew Dykstra – D2oL

    Brandon Prideaux – Retired

    Dasan Robinson – Retired

    Brian McBride – Retired

    Peter Lowry – OoF

    Chicago total: 6 SWT, 8 SIL, 3 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 3 retired, 1 OoF

    70.8% Positive career path; 58.3% MLS retention; 25% Club retention

    Toronto

    Julian de Guzman – SWT

    Stefan Frei – SWT

    Dwayne de Rosario – SIL

    Sam Cronin – SIL

    Marvell Wynne – SIL

    Chad Barrett – SIL

    Pablo Vitti – Mexico

    Amado Guevara – Honduras

    Brian Edwards – Sweden D2

    Fuad Ibrahim – D2oL

    Amadou Sanyang – D2oL

    Jim Brennan – Retired

    Adrian Serioux - Retired

    Carl Robinson - Retired

    Nana Attakora – OoF

    Nick Garcia – OoF

    Lesly Fellinga – OoF

    Ali Gerba – OoF

    O’Brien White – OoF

    Gabe Gala – OoF

    Emmanuel Gómez – OoF

    Toronto total: 2 SWT, 4 SIL, 2 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 3 retired, 7 OoF

    33% Positive career path; 25% MLS retention; 8.3% Club retention

    New England

    Matt Reis – SWT

    Chris Tierney – SWT

    Shalrie Joseph – SWT

    Dalton Barnes – SWT

    Pat Phelan – SWT

    Kevin Alston – SWT

    Sainey Nyassi – SWT

    Bobby Shuttleworth - SWT

    Chris Albright – SIL

    Wells Thompson – SIL

    Kheli Dube – SIL

    Jeff Larentowicz – SIL

    Michael Videira – SIL

    Brad Knighton – SIL

    Kenny Mansally – SIL

    Edgaras Jankauskas – Russia

    Gabriel Badilla – Costa Rica

    Amaechi Igwe – Germany D3

    Nico Colaluca – D2oL

    Jay Heaps – Retired

    Taylor Twellman – Retired

    Steve Ralston – Retired

    Emmanuel Osei – OoF

    Stephane Assengue – OoF

    Mauricio Castro – OoF

    New England total: 8 SWT, 7 SIL, 2 OtherD1 League, 2 D2oL, 3 retired, 3 OoF

    70.8% Positive career path; 62.5% MLS retention; 33.3% Club retention

    DC United

    Dejan Jakovic – SWT

    Chris Pontius – SWT

    Bill Hamid – SWT

    Miloš Kočić – SIL

    Julius James – SIL

    Marc Burch – SIL

    Andrew Jacobson – SIL

    Clyde Simms – SIL

    Rodney Wallace – SIL

    Brandon Barklage – SIL

    Fred – A-League

    Josh Wicks – Finland

    Christian Gómez – Argentina D2

    Luciano Emílio – Mexico D2

    Santino Quaranta – India

    Gregory Janicki – D2oL

    Thabiso Khumalo – D2oL

    Ty Shipalane – D2oL

    Danny Szetela – Retired

    Ben Olson – Retired

    Devon McTavish – Retired

    Bryan Namoff – Retired

    Jaime Moreno - Retired

    Avery John – OoF

    John DiRaimondo – OoF

    Ange N'Silu – OoF

    Ely Allen – OoF

    David Habarugira – OoF

    DC United totals: 3 SWT, 7 SIL, 2 Other D1 League, 6 D2oL, 5 retired, 5 OoF

    50% positive career path, 41.6% MLS retention; 12.5% club retention

    Kansa City

    Michael Harrington – SWT

    Chance Myers – SWT

    Matt Besler – SWT

    Roger Espinoza – SWT

    Eric Kronberg – SWT

    Kei Kamara – SWT

    Graham Zusi – SWT

    Kevin Hartman – SIL

    Adam Cristman – SIL

    Kurt Morsink – SIL

    Rauwshan McKenzie – SIL

    Jack Jewsbury – SIL

    Josh Wolf – SIL

    Davy Arnaud – SIL

    Santiago Hirsig – Argentina

    Hérculez Gómez – Mexico

    Zoltán Hercegfalvi – Hungary D2

    Abe Thompson- D2oL

    Michael Kraus – D2oL

    Claudio López – Retired

    Jimmy Conrad – Retired

    Matt Marquess – Retired

    Lance Watson – OoF

    Aaron Hohlbein – OoF

    Jonathan Leathers – OoF

    Kansas City total 7 SWT, 7 SIL, 2 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 3 retired, 3 OoF

    64% Positive career path, 56% MLS retention, 28% club retention

    New York

    Dane Richards – SWT

    Kevin Goldthwaite – SIL

    Carlos Mendes – SIL

    Siniša Ubiparipović – SIL

    Juan Pablo Ángel – SIL

    Macoumba Kandji – SIL

    Jeremy Hall – SIL

    Andrew Boyens – SIL

    Luke Sassano - SIL

    Carlos Johnson – Costa Rica

    Danleigh Borman – South Africa

    Jorge Rojas – Venezuela

    Matthew Mbuta – Sweden

    Leonard Krupnik - Israel

    Ernst Öbster – Austria

    Bouna Coundoul – Finland

    Walter García – Argentina D2

    Nick Zimmerman – D2oL

    Danny Cepero – Retired

    Albert Celades – Retired

    Seth Stammler – Retired

    Mike Petke – Retired

    John Wolyniec – Retired

    New York totals: 1 SWT, 8 SIL, 7 Other D1 League, 2 D2oL, 5 Retired, 0 OoF

    69.5% positive career path; 39.1% MLS retention; 4.3% club retention

    LA Galaxy

    Omar Gonzalez – SWT

    Todd Dunivant – SWT

    Landon Donovan – SWT

    Josh Saunders – SWT

    Edson Buddle – SWT

    Mike Magee – SWT

    A. J. DeLaGarza – SWT

    David Beckham – SWT

    Bryan Jordan – SWT

    Sean Franklin – SWT

    Donovan Ricketts – SIL

    Stefani Miglioranzi – SIL

    Tristan Bowen – SIL

    Chris Birchall - SIL

    Alan Gordon – SIL

    Yohance Marshall – Thailand

    Gregg Berhalter – Sweden

    Kyle Patterson – England D5

    Leonard Griffin – D2oL

    Eddie Lewis – Retired

    Chris Klein – Retired

    Dema Kovalenko – Retired

    Jovan Kirovski – Retired

    Alecko Eskandarian – Retired

    Tony Sanneh – Retired

    Julian Valentin – Retired

    Galaxy totals: 10 SWT, 5 SIL, 2 Other D1 League, 2 D2oL, 7 retired, 0 OoF

    65.3% Positive career path; 57.6% MLS retention; 38.4% Club retention

    Houston

    Tally Hall – SWT

    Eddie Robinson – SWT

    Brad Davis – SWT

    Cam Weaver – SWT

    Brian Ching – SWT

    Corey Ashe – SWT

    Tyler Deric – SWT

    André Hainault – SWT

    Geoff Cameron – SWT

    Bobby Boswell - SWT

    Dominic Oduro – SIL

    Danny Cruz – SIL

    Brian Mullan – SIL

    Mike Chabala – SIL

    Luis Ángel Landín – Mexico

    Ricardo Clark – Norway

    Stuart Holden – England

    John Michael Hayden – D2oL

    Ryan Cochrane – D2oL

    Erik Ustruck – D2oL

    Abe Thompson – D2oL

    Richard Mulrooney – Retired

    Craig Waibel – Retired

    Pat Onstad – Retired

    Wade Barrett – Retired

    Houston totals: 11 SWT, 4 SIL, 3 Other D1 League, 4 D2oL, 4 Retired, 0 OoF

    69.2% Positive career path; 57.9% MLS retention; 42.3% club retention

    Seattle

    Brad Evans – SWT

    Patrick Ianni – SWT

    Osvaldo Alonso – SWT

    Steve Zakuani – SWT

    Fredy Montero – SWT

    Leonardo González – SWT

    Zach Scott – SWT

    Jhon Kennedy Hurtado – SWT

    Tyson Wahl – SIL

    James Riley – SIL

    Peter Vagenas – SIL

    Sébastien Le Toux – SIL

    Nathan Sturgis – SIL

    Tyrone Marshall – SIL

    Stephen King – SIL

    Sanna Nyassi – SIL

    Roger Levesque – SIL

    Kasey Keller – Retired

    Taylor Graham – Retired

    Fredrik Ljungberg – OoF

    Evan Brown – OoF

    Nate Jaqua – OoF

    Seattle totals: 8 SWT, 9 SIL, 0 Other D1 League, 2 retired, 3 OoF

    77.2% positive career path; 77.2% MLS retention; 36.3% club retention

    Chivas USA

    Dan Kennedy – SWT

    Ante Jazić – SWT

    Jorge Villafaña – SWT

    Shavar Thomas – SIL

    Paulo Nagamura – SIL

    Bobby Burling – SIL

    Justin Braun – SIL

    Michael Lahoud – SIL

    Maicon Santos – SIL

    Marcelo Saragosa – SIL

    Jonathan Bornstein – Mexico

    Jesús Padilla – Mexico

    Bojan Stepanović – Slovenia

    Eduardo Lillingsto - Mexico

    Sacha Kljestan – Belgium D2

    Yamith Cuesta – Spain D2

    Maykel Galindo – D2oL

    Kevin Harmse – D2oL

    Lance Parker – D2oL

    Gerson Mayen – D2oL

    Chukwudi Chijindu – D2oL

    Claudio Suárez – Retired

    Jim Curtin – Retired

    Ante Razov – Retired

    Carey Talley – Retired

    Jesse Marsch – Retired

    Sasha Victorine – Retired

    Mariano Trujillo – OoF

    Zach Thornton – OoF

    Chivas USA totals: 3 SWT, 7 SIL, 4 Other D1 League, 7 D2oL, 6 retired, 2 OoF

    48.2% positive career path; 34.4% MLS retention; 10.3% Club retention

    Salt Lake

    Tony Beltran – SWT

    Jámison Olave – SWT

    Kyle Beckerman- SWT

    Nat Borchers – SWT

    Will Javier Morales – SWT

    Will Johnson – SWT

    Fabián Espíndola – SWT

    Chris Wingert – SWT

    Nick Rimando - SWT

    Ned Grabavoy – SWT

    Kyle Reynish – SWT

    Chris Seitz – SIL

    Robbie Russell - SIL

    Jean Alexandre – SIL

    David Horst – SIL

    Alex Nimo – Estonia

    Yura Movsisyan – Russia

    Rachid El Khalifi – Holland

    Robbie Findley - England D2

    Nelson González – Argentina D2

    Pablo Campos – D2oL

    Raphael Cox – D2oL

    Tino Nuñez – D2oL

    Andy Williams - Retired

    Clint Mathis – Retired

    Salt Lake totals: 11 SWT, 4 SIL, 3 Other D1 League, 5 D2oL, 2 retire, 0 OoF

    72% positive career path, 60% MLS retention, 44% club retention

    Colorado

    Drew Moor – SWT

    Conor Casey – SWT

    Ross Schunk – SWT

    Omar Cummings – SWT

    Pablo Mastroeni – SWT

    Michael Holody – SWT

    Kosuke Kimura – SWT

    Scott Palguta – SWT

    Matt Pickens – SWT

    Jamie Smith – SWT

    Steward Ceus – SWT

    Jordan Harvey – SIL

    Ty Harden – SIL

    Cory Gibbs – SIL

    Mehdi Ballouchy – SIL

    Pat Noonan – SIL

    Jacob Peterson – SIL

    Nick LaBrocca - SIL

    Colin Clark – SIL

    Greg Dalby – D2oL

    Ciaran O'Brien – D2oL

    Rob Valentino – D2oL

    Facundo Diz – Retired

    Preston Burpo – Retired

    Julien Baudet – Retired

    Colorado totals: 11 SWT, 8 SIL, 0 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 3 retired

    76% Positive career path; 76% MLS retention; 44% Club retention

    Dallas

    Jair Benítez – SWT

    Pablo Ricchetti – SWT

    Dave van den Bergh – SWT

    Bruno Guarda - SWT

    Ugo Ihemelu – SWT

    David Ferreira – SWT

    George John – SWT

    Brek Shea – SWT

    Eric Avila – SIL

    Dax McCarty – SIL

    Atiba Harris – SIL

    Marvin Chávez - SIL

    Steve Purdy – SIL

    Anthony Wallace - SIL

    Jeff Cunningham – Guatemala

    André Rocha – Greece

    Álvaro Sánchez – Costa Rica

    Kyle Davies – D2oL

    Blake Wagner – D2oL

    Ray Burse – D2oL

    Darío Sala – Retired

    Daniel Torres – OoF

    Peri Marošević – OoF

    Josh Lambo – OoF

    Dallas totals: 8 SWT, 6 SIL, 3 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 1 Retired, 3 OoF

    70.8% positive career path, 58.3% MLS retention, 33% Club retention

    San Jose

    Ramiro Corrales – SWT

    Shea Salinas - SWT

    Chris Wondolowski – SWT

    Jamil Roberts – SWT

    Jason Hernandez – SWT

    Joe Cannon – SIL

    Bobby Convey – SIL

    Brandon McDonald – SIL

    Ryan Johnson – SIL

    Andrew Weber – SIL

    Quincy Amarikwa – SIL

    Arturo Alvarez – Portugal

    Ramón Sánchez – El Salvador

    Cornell Glen – T&T

    Fábio Silva – Brazil D4

    Mike Zaher – D2oL

    Aaron Pitchkolan – D2oL

    Chris Leitch – Retired

    Darren Huckerby – Retired

    António Ribeiro – Retired

    Simon Elliott – OoF

    André Luiz – OoF

    San Jose totals: 5 SWT, 6 SIL, 3 Other D1 League, 3 D2oL, 3 Retired, 2 OoF

    63.6% Positive career path; 50% MLS retention; 22.7% Club retention

    In summary:

    Positive career path

    Seattle - 77.2%

    Colorado - 76%

    Salt Lake - 72%

    Chicago - 70.8%

    New England - 70.8%

    Dallas - 70.8%

    New York - 69.5%

    Houston - 69.2%

    Galaxy - 65.3%

    Kansas City - 64%

    San Jose - 63.6%

    Columbus - 62.5%

    DC United - 50%

    Chivas USA - 48.2%

    Toronto - 33%

    MLS retention

    Seattle - 77.2%

    Colorado - 76%

    New England - 62.5%

    Salt Lake - 60%

    Chicago - 58.3%

    Dallas - 58.3%

    Houston - 57.9%

    Galaxy - 57.6%

    Kansas City - 56%

    Columbus - 54.1%

    San Jose - 50%

    DC United - 41.6%

    New York - 39.1%

    Chivas USA - 34.4%

    Toronto - 25%

    Club retention -

    Salt Lake - 44%

    Colorado – 44%

    Houston – 42.3%

    Galaxy – 38.4%

    Seattle – 36.3%

    Dallas – 33%

    New England – 33.3%

    Columbus – 29.1%

    Kansas City – 28%

    Chicago – 25%

    San Jose 22.7%

    DC United 12.5%

    Chivas – 10.3%

    Toronto – 8.3%

    New York – 4.3%

    So, last, last and second last. And, the one team they had a better number than – New York – was one of the worst MLS teams of all-time. The Red Bulls had little choice but to have a massive turnover.

    We'll take a look at these numbers a bit more tomorrow to try and find a pattern that defines highly successful teams in MLS when it comes to player identification and retention.



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