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    • TFC is dead; long live TFC

      The last man standing from the great Dutch philosophy that TFC told us was going to be their trademark for generations has been fired. As first reported here, Tomas Rongen was replaced by Greg Vanney at the TFC Academy today.

      For those keeping score at home, it was 1,070 days from the grand promises of 4-3-3 glory until the club had completely turned over everyone associated with the experiment.

      Before we move on let's take a moment to reflect on that.

      Winter was a very nice man and the idea of Toronto playing some sort of beautiful game was very appealing. Far too many of us wanted to believe it was possible to pull off. Hindsight suggests it was one of the worst management decisions in MLS history. It perfectly summarizes how gullible and clueless senior management was at MLSE.

      They really had no clue how to win in MLS. Zero. It's almost impossible to be as bad as TFC has been.

      A total cleansing was needed and, as of today, has been completed. With that it's time to stop evaluating current management with the decisions of past management. The only thing that connects current management to past is the name of ownership--see, MLSE is different now too.

      Unless you believe the city is actually cursed there is no evidence that TFC is incapable of making good decisions. None. Signing Mista is irrelevant to any and all discussions about the team now since it's the same team in name only.

      Realistically the clean break happened when Kevin Payne was fired, but symbolically today was the day.

      You've been freed of your past TFC fans. It's going to be a struggle for most to forget that past or to believe that it is irrelevant to future, but it really is.

      As Ben Knight used to say, Onward!
      Comments 21 Comments
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Love this.
      1. Grant's Avatar
        Grant -
        Ryan Nelsen still worries me.
      1. narduch's Avatar
        narduch -
        Vanney's resume doesn't really inspire confidence.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Long term consideration for all decisions moving forward, please and thanks.
      1. Duane Rollins's Avatar
        Duane Rollins -
        Quote Originally Posted by narduch View Post
        Vanney's resume doesn't really inspire confidence.
        The guy who established one if the most respected academies in the US?
      1. Initial B's Avatar
        Initial B -
        So the 4-3-3 experiment is dead. I had hoped we could pull it off, but I guess the UK 4-4-2 contingent in this city is simply too strong to overcome. And I suppose that the style taught at the academy should match the style used by the 1st team. (You *do* have a style, don't you Ryan?) I just hope TFC doesn't regret the change, especially since SKC played 4-3-3 to good effect in their MLS Cup win.

        Regardless of who is in charge, the ghosts of the past will continue to haunt this franchise. There is simply too much negativity to overcome. I forsee 7th in the East in 2014 and moved to Miami in 2015.
      1. narduch's Avatar
        narduch -
        Quote Originally Posted by Duane Rollins View Post
        The guy who established one if the most respected academies in the US?
        So he did such a great job that it lead him to an assistant coaching job at Chivas, followed by an U-14 coaching job.

        He may well work out, but it is a gamble.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        [QUOTE=Initial B;445616]So the 4-3-3 experiment is dead. I had hoped we could pull it off, but I guess the UK 4-4-2 contingent in this city is simply too strong to overcome. And I suppose that the style taught at the academy should match the style used by the 1st team. (You *do* have a style, don't you Ryan?) I just hope TFC doesn't regret the change, especially since SKC played 4-3-3 to good effect in their MLS Cup win.




        Great example with SKC making it work. Tough to do and it's not just the formation. Introducing "total football", which was TFC goal, is extremely difficult. MLSE could've done a bit more research to see that it has resulted in failure for far more teams than it has resulted in success (outside of Holland). Would've been incredible if they could've pulled it off. But, with a sports organization as seemingly inept as MLSE, it was really unlikely to succeed from the beginning.
      1. levyashin's Avatar
        levyashin -
        Just got back from U.K..
        I went to look at 3 different academy set- up's.
        Before I left I had the opportunity to see the set-up at T.F.C.
        We have a wonderful lay out ;all the right equipment.
        WHAT IS NEEDED-REAL QUALITY COACHES.
        THESE DO NOT GROW ON TREES.
        With every establishment comes petty jealousies-politics-back stabbing-etc.
        T.F.C. have in the last 7 years been rife with these problems.
        Going forward we shall see if this will be a better TEAM.
      1. Monte's Avatar
        Monte -
        If I'm being completely real, I remember vividly myself and others thinking and posting at the time, that you needed to have the talent to play the 4-3-3 beautiful game. I thought it was ludicrous that they were making the formation and forcing the talent into it, I think you get the talent, and make the formation around what you have. The idea was flawed to begin with.

        And then they traded everyone away to try and get the players that could play 4-3-3...yeeaaaahh...you just don't DO that.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Quote Originally Posted by narduch View Post
        So he did such a great job that it lead him to an assistant coaching job at Chivas, followed by an U-14 coaching job.

        He may well work out, but it is a gamble.
        You have no idea what you're talking about.
      1. soccergolfwine's Avatar
        soccergolfwine -
        If TFC management had the foresight to spend heavily on academy coaches and staff 6-7 years ago, this would be paying huge dividends now.
        They have the resources ($) to lure the worlds best.
        It's not too late, but it does require foresight today.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Quote Originally Posted by levyashin View Post
        Just got back from U.K..
        I went to look at 3 different academy set- up's.
        Before I left I had the opportunity to see the set-up at T.F.C.
        We have a wonderful lay out ;all the right equipment.
        WHAT IS NEEDED-REAL QUALITY COACHES.
        THESE DO NOT GROW ON TREES.
        With every establishment comes petty jealousies-politics-back stabbing-etc.
        T.F.C. have in the last 7 years been rife with these problems.
        Going forward we shall see if this will be a better TEAM.
        So what academy teams did you get to see and what was good and bad about them?
      1. narduch's Avatar
        narduch -
        Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
        You have no idea what you're talking about.
        Please enlighten me then.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Vanney is very bright, he will do well. Chivas was always going to fail because of poor ownership. TFC has much more potential.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Quote Originally Posted by narduch View Post
        Please enlighten me then.
        - USSF "A" Coaching License
        - established the first MLS Residential Academy in the United States as Director of the Real Salt Lake-Arizona Youth Academy.
        - technical director at LA Galaxy South Bay academy


        What about that resume seems suspect to you?
      1. narduch's Avatar
        narduch -
        Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
        - USSF "A" Coaching License
        - established the first MLS Residential Academy in the United States as Director of the Real Salt Lake-Arizona Youth Academy.
        - technical director at LA Galaxy South Bay academy


        What about that resume seems suspect to you?
        He seems to bounce around a lot.

        Sounds like some fans are pumping him up in typical TFC fashion.

        I remember when people were talking highly of Rongen too.
      1. Brenton's Avatar
        Brenton -
        TFC fans have been lauding the great work of their academy, and now people are happy that the guy who was the head of that academy is gone?
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Quote Originally Posted by Brenton View Post
        TFC fans have been lauding the great work of their academy, and now people are happy that the guy who was the head of that academy is gone?
        TFC fans and the Toronto soccer community are two different things. The fans are happy with the way the Academy is going. The community, meaning the local clubs, don't.

        Not sure how it works in Vancouver, but there are many clubs here that have been around for many years. They don't like that TFC didn't try and still haven't built suffiencient partnerships with them. What they want to see is more local coaches getting chances to work for the TFCA. This isn't all Rongen's fault of course because it's much more of a gripe about TFC management. Vanney has better credentials than Rongen but my guess is that local clubs won't be happy until he builds more partnerships.
      1. Brenton's Avatar
        Brenton -
        I think I'm seeing reactions from the same group of people, though I could be wrong.
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