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    • Ontario youth leagues ignore call to support national team

      Former Canadian international Jason deVos announced via Twitter that a call to OSA leagues to not schedule games in conflict with Canadian World Cup Qualifying matches this year has been ignored.

      In deVos' words:

      Want to know why more people don't buy tickets to watch and support our National Teams? The next few tweets will explain it all.

      The OSA sent out a letter to all of the major youth soccer leagues in Ontario, advising them NOT to schedule games on National Team dates.

      The leagues IGNORED the letter, and scheduled games that directly conflict with World Cup qualifying. Why is the tail wagging the dog?

      How are kids supposed to go watch the National Team when they have games scheduled the same night?
      Nowhere else in the world does this happen! There should be a mandatory shut down of all competitive league games when Canada plays. Period.

      How on earth are we supposed to build a 'soccer culture' when we allow leagues to dictate when our players train and compete?
      Should the leagues have avoided scheduling games on the WCQ dates? If so, is there something the CNT community of fans can do to pressure the leagues so consideration is made moving forward?
      Comments 26 Comments
      1. socceronly's Avatar
        socceronly -
        The fact that it was even attempted by the OSA in the first place is the start of the change.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Why can't the OSA shut down the leagues on those days? Shouldn't they be the ones in charge here?
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Happens in BC all the time too. Extremely disappointing.

        Good for the OSA to make this attempt! How can a governing body (a) not have the power to put this into reality or (b) don't have support of boards that realize the CMNT is the pinnacle of the sport in this country?

        Please tell me at least ONE league agrees with this request within the OSA structure?
      1. VPjr's Avatar
        VPjr -
        This is beyond upsetting....I was very encouraged when the OSA, led by President Ron Smale, sent out the notice to all leagues. That is all flushed down the toilet now.I know that youth clubs that buy their unforms from Umbro have been working on ticket packages for the US and Honduras game to ensure an energized, pro-Canada crowd is on hand. Because the US game happens on a weekend, many of those young people will be at the game, cheering on Canada. But for the all important WCQ match, they will be on the field instead of in the stadium or in front of a TV.As Jason rightly states, this is a case of the tail wagging the dog. I can appreciate how challenging it can be to schedule youth matches but if we do not make an effort to support the national team, we have no hope of exposing our youth to the international game.As members of the OSA, youth leagues must be forced to fall in line. I hope Mr. Smale has a plan B....
      1. Fouge's Avatar
        Fouge -
        The administration department of the leagues, and the communications they have with city facility management is so small, and so limited. I don't expect someone who played professional football to understand that, and it's further to my reasoning for harbouring resentments that deVos is the deFacto spokesperson for leading us forward.

        It's a nice idea, but, when you've got an administrator making $11/hr scheduling games for countless clubs, unfortunately, asking them to stop and reorganize is futile no matter the reasoning.
      1. Fouge's Avatar
        Fouge -
        Dino,

        I'm confused. I've only coached in Super Y in Ontario. The US game falling on a weekend is helpful? I thought most games were played on weekends.

        -Fouge
      1. VPjr's Avatar
        VPjr -
        Fouge, the vast majority of youth matches in Ontario fall on weekday evenings, for everything from rep to house leage.This year, at least in the district where I sit on the board, our U8s to U11s will be playing on weekends, during the day primarily, so making it to an evening match downtown should still be quite feasible.The private academies (i.e. SAAC) play on the weekends too as part of their plan to train during the week, compete on the weekend. But, again, they are played during the day time so making it to BMO for an evening match on a Sunday will not be an issue. I'm sure SAAC schedulers will do everything they can to ensure their games will end fairly early on June 3 (if games are scheduled at all for that day).
      1. A_Gagne's Avatar
        A_Gagne -
        Perhaps de Vos could start by getting every single Oakville FC team that's playing that night to ask it's opponent to reschedule their game.
      1. Brenton's Avatar
        Brenton -
        While I fully agree with the concern and hope that this gets fixed, I do wonder about this: How on earth are we supposed to build a 'soccer culture' when we allow leagues to dictate when our players train and compete?Don't all leagues dictate when players compete? Am I missing something?
      1. CoachRich's Avatar
        CoachRich -
        What is being missed by many is that this is amateur sports and a pay to play structure. Hence it's on a majority basis run and financed by the parents at every level so the parents are entitled to vote the way they want things run. Further there are many other factors that those of the tail have not considered when they try wagging the dog/parents -

        #1 leagues are controlled by parents in a pay to play structure
        #2 parents by democracy have a right to vote on when leagues play
        #3 volunteers have only so much time to run leagues where schedules are planned a year in advance.
        #4 limited supply & time slots of fields
        #5 families are busy & this is not a good idea for the rec level. Maybe for the top tier of youth elite but don't force in on the majority
        #6 how about the canwnt too?
        # 7 parents who pay and volunteer are the dog. FIFA, NSO, PSO, Leagues, Clubs and teams are the tail.

        Changing the sports culture starts at the personal level where the parents and players come in contact with the program. Culture starts there and is not learnt on the telly. Further until clubs have their own club houses, home facilities and no boundaries we will not have a true club system and the ability to create a culture under a roof.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        how can we build a soccer culture when everone is out playing soccer?
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        How about the CSL?

        June 3: 5 games
        June 12: 0 games
        Sept. 7: 3 games
        Oct. 12: ? playoffs.
      1. CoachRich's Avatar
        CoachRich -
        Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
        how can we build a soccer culture when everone is out playing soccer?
        Same way we do with hockey.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
        how can we build a soccer culture when everone is out playing soccer?
        Spend an evening watching a youth game and you'll see that very little soccer culture development is happening.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        It's unfortunate that OSA leagues won't be taking the time off for the Canada games, but it's not like the CSA would gamble by putting all of the games in one locati....oh wait, never mind.
      1. TrilliumXXX's Avatar
        TrilliumXXX -
        1. The CSA has the power to declare the date closed, they have decided not too do so ...

        2. The OSA has asked for the leagues to step up... OYSL has not no have the regiional leagues in area within 200 miles of the game.

        3. Proper approach would have been to request the CSA declare the dates closed once known and direct all referees who are registred directly with CSA to refuse assingment to any games within 200 mile radius of a National team WCQ game.

        That is was not done is to be blamed on the current CSA President and the CSA board and executive director.

        Devos should start naming names rather then blaming leagues, lay it out say the truth the CSA screwed this up ... but its not too late, games are rescheduled by all leagues, the top ones OYSL, L3 and L4 and L5 in regions within 200 miles of BMO should be closing the dates... what say you David Gee ?
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        The U18 already have a shorten season, because of College/University etc, how much room do they have reschedule games?
      1. CoachRich's Avatar
        CoachRich -
        Quote Originally Posted by TrilliumXXX View Post
        1. The CSA has the power to declare the date closed, they have decided not too do so ...

        2. The OSA has asked for the leagues to step up... OYSL has not no have the regiional leagues in area within 200 miles of the game.

        3. Proper approach would have been to request the CSA declare the dates closed once known and direct all referees who are registred directly with CSA to refuse assingment to any games within 200 mile radius of a National team WCQ game.

        That is was not done is to be blamed on the current CSA President and the CSA board and executive director.

        Devos should start naming names rather then blaming leagues, lay it out say the truth the CSA screwed this up ... but its not too late, games are rescheduled by all leagues, the top ones OYSL, L3 and L4 and L5 in regions within 200 miles of BMO should be closing the dates... what say you David Gee ?
        After the ASA saga, it's quite doubtful the CSA will try to exercise any power over a PSO, league or club.
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        I'll play devil's advocate here for the sake of it so take it in stride of an debate.

        Sorry but the quality field times are tough to get as it is and the youth system should not be dictated to because of a couple of qualifiers. be able to watch it on TV which is good. You don't need to be there live to support your squad. If the games are all broadcast, which they are then the players will Most leagues are out of the GTA and it is an extra cost to players simply by the expensive travel costs involved and our youth system is already more expensive than it should be (ie $50 OSA sanctioning fee per competitive player alone).

        Now feel free to rip into me even after reading my opening line
      1. Unregistered's Avatar
        Unregistered -
        Well....at the very least....the act of cancelling all youth games would attract attention to the matches....also, how would they be able to watch these games on TV when they are out on the field.

        Shouldn't the OSA and CSA have some administrative power over the leagues? These organizations oversee league operations do they not? And if they have no control, what is the point of overseeing them?

        The only way something will be done, sadly, if people go out and complain. So go friends...raise hell!
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